Time for a live game report Wednesday 3:30pm


(31) Live games


(3) 2-4 LHE
(1) 3-6 LHE
(1) 10-20 LHE
(1) 20-40 LHE


(1) 10-20 Omaha H/L


(14) 1-2 NL
(8) 2-5 NL
(2) 5-10 NL


Events For Wednesday June 8

(829) Event #1 11am $350 + $50 NL (re-entry)
(078) Event #21 4pm $150 + $30 Survivor
(128) Event #22 7pm $150 + $30 NL Tournament

Events for Thursday June 9

(432) Event #2 11am $200 + $30 + $25 Bounty No Limit
(090) Event #23 3pm $150 + $30 Survivor
(121) Event #24 7pm $150 + $30 NL Tournament

Events for Friday June 10

(172) Event #3 11am $400 + $50 NL Tournament
(120) Event #4 12pm $350 + $50 Omaha H/L 8B
(082) Event #25 4pm $250 + $30 Survivor
(120) Event #26 7pm $150 + $30 + $20 Bounty No Limit

Events for Saturday June 11

(267) Event #5 11am $500 + $60 NL Tournament
(081) Event #6 12pm $350 + $50 HOSE
(040) Event #27 4pm $400 + $50 Survivor
(120) Event #28 7pm $200 + $30 NL Tournament

Events for Sunday June 12

(164) Event #7 11am Day 1A $350 + $50 Deep Stack Double Play (Re-Entry)
(080) Event #8 12pm $200 + $30 Ladies NL
(073) Event #29 4pm $200 + $30 + $20 Bounty Turbo NL (Re-Entry)
(065) Event #30 7pm $150 + $30 NL Tournament

Events for Monday June 13

(345) Event #7 11am Day 1B $350 + $50 Deep Stack Double Play (Re-Entry)
(076) Event #31 4pm $150 + $30 Survovor
(085) Event #32 7pm $150 + $30 NL Tournament

Events for Tuesday June 14

(285) Event #9 11am $200 + $30 + $20 Bounty NL (Re-Entry)
(093) Event #10 12pm $350 + $50 Big Stack PLO High Only
(064) Event #33 4pm $200 + $30 Level Increaser NL
(081) Event #34 7pm $150 + $30 NL Tournament

Events for Wednesday June 15

(860) Event #11 11am $200 + $30 Big Stack NL (Re-Entry) $75K G
(???) Event #35 4pm $300 + $50 Survivor
(???) Event #36 7pm $110 + $20 WSOP Super Satellite Act 1

Events for Thursday June 16

Event #12 11am $400 + $50 Six-Max NL
Event #13 12pm $500 + $60 Seven Card Stud
Event #37 3pm $200 + $30 + $20 Bounty Semi-Turbo NL
Event #38 7pm $150 + $30 NL Tournament


BBJP $184,040


Stan

Stanstrickland@theborgata.com

I don't mind that dealers are allowed to play at the Borgata personally, but if they're actually good at poker, playing 2/5+ or 10/20+ and winning money from the regulars, it's certainly going to leave a bad taste in their mouths and I would advise against it, for the dealer's own good and to prevent potential problems. (I'm not one of them, but I'm sure after you win a $100+ pot off some reg, you won't be seeing a tip from him again) There are other reasons too, obviously.

Stan, I'm going to shoot you an e-mail concerning my black card status, just as a heads up.

Do dealers really play 2/5+?

Maybe one of the rules would be that dealers can only play the smaller limits. Wouldn't be a bad idea.

I imagine that most of them don't, they'd mostly play small limit games or 1/2 and do it for fun. But I also imagine that not ALL dealers are terrible at poker, and some are certainly capable of beating this games. I'm basically just warning not to bite the hand that feeds.

WTF are you talking about? You use like 19 different metaphors and tbh, I don't think any of them made sense even without the others.

WHAT???

Stan

One of my concerns is that a small group of players may crush the games and dry up the action, but I may be wrong...and I agree that overall there may be a very positive effect in the range of games offered. My statements have not been contradictory even if hard to follow. (A) a group of players playing 2-4 is one thing, - it is always a happy, relaxing, celebratory event, and after a weekend of mind-numbing no-limit, I welcome a 2-4 HORSE game. (B) off-duty dealers playing in bigger games, 2-5 NL and 10-20 and up presents different issues which other posts have covered better than I, and I suppose I should leave to you with a better command of style to comment on...I have found both comments pro and against instructive and we will soon find out how the 'policies in place' work and how folks feel about it, - I think it will be mostly be a good show, as most dealers are witty and charming and I look forward to their hunor when not dealing!

vampires and plankton and whales and blood and sharks...

that was an awesome paragraph.

I don't know if anyone thinks that Borgata dealers play at Borgata.

But the official word on this is:

lol what is the point of this post? Stan said "now allowed to play", not "not allowed to play".

Why would you want to mess with the best 2/5 game in town? Raising buy-in caps is almost always a mistake, and it would definitely be a mistake in this case. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

I think you're wrong that it would be a mistake, but honestly I'm fine with the $500 cap. It's the $100 minimum I have a problem with. The minimum at $1/2 is 30bbs. at 5/10 it's 50bbs (or is it 40? always forget if it's $400 or $500. I mix it up with places in Vegas) yet, at 2/5 it's 20bbs.

The lower cap can definitely move up, I agree with that. A 20 bb cap is just ridiculous, a $200 dollar minimum buy-in would make much more sense.

I would consider that.

Stan

Time for a live game report Wednesday 6:15pm


(35) Live games


(3) 2-4 LHE
(1) 3-6 LHE
(1) 10-20 LHE
(1) 20-40 LHE


(1) 1-2 PLO
(1) 10-20 Omaha H/L


(15) 1-2 NL
(10) 2-5 NL
(2) 5-10 NL


Events For Wednesday June 8

(829) Event #1 11am $350 + $50 NL (re-entry)
(078) Event #21 4pm $150 + $30 Survivor
(128) Event #22 7pm $150 + $30 NL Tournament

Events for Thursday June 9

(432) Event #2 11am $200 + $30 + $25 Bounty No Limit
(090) Event #23 3pm $150 + $30 Survivor
(121) Event #24 7pm $150 + $30 NL Tournament

Events for Friday June 10

(172) Event #3 11am $400 + $50 NL Tournament
(120) Event #4 12pm $350 + $50 Omaha H/L 8B
(082) Event #25 4pm $250 + $30 Survivor
(120) Event #26 7pm $150 + $30 + $20 Bounty No Limit

Events for Saturday June 11

(267) Event #5 11am $500 + $60 NL Tournament
(081) Event #6 12pm $350 + $50 HOSE
(040) Event #27 4pm $400 + $50 Survivor
(120) Event #28 7pm $200 + $30 NL Tournament

Events for Sunday June 12

(164) Event #7 11am Day 1A $350 + $50 Deep Stack Double Play (Re-Entry)
(080) Event #8 12pm $200 + $30 Ladies NL
(073) Event #29 4pm $200 + $30 + $20 Bounty Turbo NL (Re-Entry)
(065) Event #30 7pm $150 + $30 NL Tournament

Events for Monday June 13

(345) Event #7 11am Day 1B $350 + $50 Deep Stack Double Play (Re-Entry)
(076) Event #31 4pm $150 + $30 Survovor
(085) Event #32 7pm $150 + $30 NL Tournament

Events for Tuesday June 14

(285) Event #9 11am $200 + $30 + $20 Bounty NL (Re-Entry)
(093) Event #10 12pm $350 + $50 Big Stack PLO High Only
(064) Event #33 4pm $200 + $30 Level Increaser NL
(081) Event #34 7pm $150 + $30 NL Tournament

Events for Wednesday June 15

(860) Event #11 11am $200 + $30 Big Stack NL (Re-Entry) $75K G
(085) Event #35 4pm $300 + $50 Survivor
(???) Event #36 7pm $110 + $20 WSOP Super Satellite Act 1

Events for Thursday June 16

Event #12 11am $400 + $50 Six-Max NL
Event #13 12pm $500 + $60 Seven Card Stud
Event #37 3pm $200 + $30 + $20 Bounty Semi-Turbo NL
Event #38 7pm $150 + $30 NL Tournament


BBJP $191,066


Stan

Stanstrickland@theborgata.com

I am in favor of the
$100 dollar minimum buy-in for the 2-5, it is one of the reasons the Borgata is for choice in AC

Understandable but dont think it matters. Like the 3-5 who buy in full but don't play 5-10 bc they cant maneuver lol with 100bb.

SOME IMPRESSIVE TURNOUTS SO FAR!!!
860 mid week is nice--good job Stan

+1 to raising the 2-5 buy in to at least $200

There are some silly comments regarding the dealers. They should only be allowed to play small and they might not get tipped if they beat you in a good pot. Thats some funny stuff. Let em play! It will enhance the games and you will be able to bust on them when they deal after playing with them.

go play 1/2

Correction: I agree with you that is is awful that [a player] may not tip you if you beat them in a pot.

Re: they might not get tipped if they beat you in a good pot. Thats some funny stuff. Let em play!

I agree with you that is is awful that dealers may not tip you if you beat them in a pot. I tip dealers when they are idle at a table with no game. I tip dealers when I win a hand in a tournament. I tip dealers when they first sit down at my table to break the ice and welcome them! However, some of my fellow players are more moody and think certain dealers won't deal them good cards and won't play with certain dealers. If I play a dealer and I get beat out of a pot, I'm not going to hold a grudge against the dealer for beating my aces full with four nines when she catches a nine on the river, if it happens, I'll give her a red bird. I am happy for the action and never a sore loser. A lot of players will not take it well if an off-duty dealer beats them out of a pot and may take a walk the next time that dealer sits down to deal against that player. I think that many of the dealers have a refreshing sense of humor and it may help to have a few laughs at the table. I can't wait to see the reaction on folks faces when a groups of dealers takes down the bad beat on monday night in 2-4 LHE. I hope the card machine is working and it's not a hand shuffled and dealt hand! I will be there and make sure the 'dealer' gets a table share! assuming I don't win the bbjp at 1-2 on saturday night!

A few years ago, I played a heads up pot at Borgata against a player who I knew was a dealer at another room, and he knew that I knew who he was. He raised me all in on the flop and said that he flopped a set and that I should fold. I flopped a set, and called because I thought that he was bluffing.

He flopped top set and was really disappointed that I called because he was afraid that I would never tip him again. He knew that I tip well.

I told him that whatever happens when we play against each other has nothing to do with the way that I would tip him when he deals, and that he had nothing with which to be concerned with regard to future tips.

I stacked him and got my money back and more about a half hour later.

I'm not sure if this was directed at me, but to clarify: I have no issue with the dealers playing any game personally, and I'm not a person who would hold it against them if they won a pot off of me.

However, there ARE people who would hold it against them, And say they won a $2k pot off a particularly nasty regular. Well, I'm pretty sure every time this dealer dealt to this regular after that, there would be a problem.

And some people just might not appreciate being played seriously against from someone who's wage they help pay. For these reasons, I suggest the dealers should consider any serious playing they wish to do, and whether the benefits of playing in their own house outweigh the detriments.

Stan, I can't speak for everyone, but I would be super happy with a $200 minimum for 2/5. I understand that a few people who like to buy in short would be unhappy and probably move down to 1/2, but at the same time it's kind of frustrating when a new game opens and I can't play poker because 3 people buy in for 20bb and can just shove over any open I make. Yes, this is somewhat about my winrate, but I do think that the vast majority of at least your regulars would support this change.

Two other things I personally would like to see done are an elimination of IWTSTH (this gets abused so often at Borgata by certain regulars who don't care that it's bad etiquette and alienates the recreational players and even some recreational players who don't realize it's bad etiquette)

The other thing I'd love is for the games to be 9-handed instead of 10. Again, this is partially because I think that 9-handed games play less tightly, but mainly because the table space is really tight and it's nice not to be crammed into a seat. Things to consider are this increases the drop for Borgata in raked games slightly and decreases it in timed games slightly. (obviously) It could also be considered for only games 2/5+ and pink chip+

Also, please don't take any of this the wrong way. Borgata is my favorite cardroom out of any I've ever been to, and overall I think it's run very well. Most of the dealers and staff are friendly and competent, and I love the decision to time 2/5 when it's raked everywhere else. I also applaud the effort put into always making it a better room and doing things like upping the BBJ drop at 2/5 to $50.

Thank you, Stan, for listening to your players.

I don't understand why the limits are consistent throughout the casino. It never made sense to me.

$1/$2 NLHE
Minimum Buy-In: $60 (30 bb)
Maximum Buy-In: $300 (150 bb)

$2/$5 NLHE
Minimum Buy-In: $100 (20 bb)
Maximum Buy-In: $500 (100 bb)

$5/$10 NLHE
Minimum Buy-In: (I honestly forget, somebody help me out)
Maximum Buy-In: $2,000 (200 bb)

Shouldn't the ratio stay the same? If $1/$2 is 30 bb/150 bb, shouldn't $2/$5 be the same? Therefore I WOULD be in favor of making $2/$5 $150 minimum and $750 maximum to make the ratio proportionate to $1/$2, HOWEVER it would impact the best $2/$5 game in town. If I was starting a new room though, those are the limits I would set it up with.

5/10 is 500 min and 10/25 is 2500 min every limit is different which is odd but i dont think its a big problem