Can we get a live game report?

Also, if there is a 25-25 PLO game, please mention if there is a mandatory $50 Mississippi straddle or a minimum $5K buy in... the board never mentions those things and then you find out at the table.

http://www.theborgata.com/Main.cfm?C...9183420ABE2F21

yeah I see the changes.

Kinda strange regarding the sunday $150 Deep Stack.

11am is "normal" with 25k and 20 min levels.
2pm? (says 11am right now) is "turbo" with 25k and 15 minute levels.

Is this really a large difference from 20 to 15 minute levels? I can understand in the first you would be at level 12 (2k-4k) where in the turbo you would be at level 16 (8k-16k), but isn't everyone usually down to a low M by the time you get to level 12+, so there isn't much difference?

I would suggest the 11am be made the turbo (15 min levels) so it's done mostly by 2pm, where the non-turbo one would start with 25 min levels... IMO.

Keep in mind that my question is not about what the rules should be. And it's irrelevant as to whether the hand was heads up or multi-way.

TDA rules state:

41. No Disclosure

Players are obligated to protect the other players in the tournament at all times. Therefore, players, whether in the hand or not, may not:

1. Disclose contents of live or folded hands,
2. Advise or criticize play at any time,
3. Read a hand that hasn't been tabled.

The one-player-to-a-hand rule will be enforced.

42. Exposing Cards

A player who exposes his cards with action pending may incur a penalty, but will not have a dead hand. The penalty will begin at the end of the hand.

If disclosing the contents of one's hand when the action is incomplete during a tournament is called "common table chatter" and TDA rules state that it should not be done, I am reminded of the countdown that occurred at this year's WSOP in which the count reached "one," the player called, and his hand was ruled dead. Jack Effel said that countdowns end at "one" because "ten to zero is eleven seconds."

It just seems that some people make excuses in attempts to rationalize mistakes. I'm just bringing this up in an attempt to reduce the angleshooting that occurs at Borgata.

The deep stacks are on Saturdays, not Sundays. The web-site is still wrong. The morning start time is 11am and the turbo is at 6pm.

Stan

Time for a live game report Monday 3:20pm


(30) Live games


(2) 2-4 LHE
(1) 3-6 LHE
(1) 10-20 LHE
(1) 20-40 LHE
(1) 100-200 LHE


(1) 10-20 Omaha H/L


(10) 1-2 NL
(7) 2-5 NL
(4) 5-10 NL
(2) 10-25 NL


Yesterday's Results

(727) Event #17 11am $3300 + $200 Day 1B WPT Championship Event
(188) Event #18 12pm $500 + $60 NL Tournament
(132) Event #49 6pm $100 + $20 NL Tournament

(1042) Total Entries for the WPT Championship Event


Today's Events


(1042) Event #17 11am $3300 + $200 Day 2 WPT Championship Event
(313) Event #19 12pm $350 + $50 NL Tournament
(???) Event #50 3pm $1000 + $100 (WPT Foxwoods Super Satellite)
(???) Event #51 6pm $100 + $20 NL Tournament


Tomorrow's Events


Event #17 11am $3300 + $200 Day 2 WPT Championship Event
Event #20 12pm $300 + $50 NL Tournament
Event #52 6pm $100 + $20


BBJP $148,601


Stan

I'll be playing at the Borgota for the first time nex Tuesday 9/28...I will be at the Taj for the NJ state funeral directors convention and will be playing $1/$2 and probably buy in fr $100 or $120..i've only played live before at the Taj and Aria...looking forward to it.

Seems appropriate to have the funeral directors convention at the Taj.

Coming to Borgata for first visit Wed-Sat...

How cold is it in the poker room?

That is my important question. Otherwise I will be wearing a Dubai World Cup yellow hat so please say hello! I am an average looking 6'2" white guy.

That is sooo sooo bad. When you say 10 that is how many seconds are remaining, nothing has elapsed yet. Unless the count starts before the counter starts counting but thats just getting stupid. Horrible ruling using faulty logic.

depends where you sit. can be comfortable, but can also be quite chilly. definitely bring a hoodie or jacket

By default the game is standard 1/2 blinds with no bring in. $8 max open raise.

Once in a while, everyone will agree to a $5 bring-in. $10 open raise. Round up to $20 for limp, then raise.

The past two weekends, it's been running with the $5 bring in most of the time. Then we have the folks constantly arguing that the 1/2 blinds count as $5 each for pre-flop potting purposes, but they won't go over to the actual well-populated 2/5 game.

Also this past weekend, a 1/2 PLO must-move game played 1/2 PLO/8 for a while until it was quashed for one or both of the following: a game started as a must-move must play the same as the main game OR PLO/8 is just plain not allowed by the CCC. There was 3 different ideas by floor staff (or higher) on what should have been allowed.

i was in a 1/2/5 game... and they wanted to count every blind as 5... im looking at that as a 5/5 game, which i didn't want to play and im only getting rated for 1/2... it was going limp limp 30 or 35 (too lazy to count right now), call call call. 500 max game where everyhand 100+ is in the pot preflop. one guy wanted to rack up when i said i signed up to play 1/2, I told him he could go play 2/5 if he liked.

oh and I love plo/8 have played it and dealt it in AC b4.... it is legal. but it is a very slow game to play.

I'm confused...
"Once in a while, everyone will agree to a $5 bring-in"
and
"game played 1/2 PLO/8 for a while until it was quashed ...PLO/8 is just plain not allowed by the CCC"

This seems that there are two instances of players dictating the betting structure and the game played.

If this is true than I would be getting a bit dismayed about trying 1-2PLO. I keep thinking of trying it when I am there, but reading the above makes me think the players are controlling the game and not the house.

I'd like Stan's take on this.

BTW, Taj has a live poker/table report, with updates thru the night (3 hrs?) and each hour from like 1pm - 2am. Wonder if Borgata's can be as often?

btw.. have to laugh, as at 8:30am this morning Taj has only this running:

[1] $2 - $5 No Limit Hold'em
[1] $1 - $2 No Limit Hold'em

The house can't force the players to play a specific game, especially in a competitive market where players can just go somewhere that will spread what they want.

Now if the game isn't legal than that would be a little different (although I have heard many stories of casinos looking the other way for high limit games).

I'm not 100% sure but I suspect that $5 BI isn't enforceable by the house, so if you don't like it you're free not to do it. Although you'll piss off the other players...

PLO O8 is legal. the true BI will be reinforced with the help.

Stan

This is just plain wrong. PLO8 is spread daily at the Borgata, and you will NEVER find a game spread at the B that is not allowed by the CCC.

The $5 bring-in simply makes calculations in the game easier, especially when there are pot and re-pot bets postflop.

As far as one person refusing to adhere to the bring-in when the rest of the table agrees, that person is easy to deal with as every other player will simply make it "5 straight" after the jerk limps for $2.

The game plays much bigger than 1/2 NLHE. If you're unwilling to gamble. and I really mean gamble, stick with NLHE or limit O8 live and play a lot of .25/.50 PLO online until you're comfortable.

The 1/2 PLO game at the Borg is action junkie city. I was down for the BPO 2 weekends ago; after three days of tournaments, I decided to take a break and play cash. Sat at 1/2 PLO, and on THE VERY FIRST HAND we had a 5 way all-in preflop. I was one of them, and chopped the ~$1700 pot with one other player. The game calmed a bit after that, but very often you will find yourself in spots where you'll have to decide on the flop whether you're willing to play that hand for all your chips...

BTW, just want to float a big "Thank You" to Stan for helping me out with accommodations during my last Borg trip. You're the Man, Stan.

More to do with inconsistency with the floor staff (Mostly my fault). I will make sure that the everyone knows that the in the 1-2 PLO game or 1-2 PLO O8 that

1. You can call the $2
2. Max raise to $5

New signs will be made to indicate the rules.

Stan

I agree that the $5 BI make the games run smoother and makes the calculations for future bets easier to figure.

Stan

Stan, please clarify these new rules. Obviously, we can call 2, the maximum raise opening raise is 5? I'm not too familiar with bring-ins in big bet games. (PLO, NLHE) Also, the games were very crazy during the series, I expect the games to play smaller again very soon, if not this weekend.

Also, I'm not in favor of the 5 bring in, since the game plays much bigger than a 1-2 game, and now I do not think I will be playing in the game anymore unless I find backing as I need to buy in for at least 2x what I previously did. Why can't these people just go play a 2-5 game and leave the 1-2 game alone?

Can you elaborate on #2? That seems very unusual as written. Does it mean that you can't raise pot if no one limped before you?

We are only talking about pre flop. The the first pot raise of the game with no callers or raisers of the BB. Obviously you can raise more than $5 when the pot is $100.

Stan

Gotta disagree with you on this one, dawg. I understand your frustration at playing in a game that plays higher than you think it 'should', but the 2/5 plays the same way and is much sicker than 1/2. Besides if you're willing to limp for $2, aren't you willing to do the same for $5? Your likelihood of hitting your hand remains the same and the payoff when you do hit is an order of magnitude higher. Maybe just narrow your preflop range a bit?

Regardless, I'll continue to play with or without the bring-in. This is the golden age of PLO, and variance be damned. For every solid player at the table, there's a NLHE newbie misplaying dry aces.

The raise is $5, but your bet is $7 (or $8 if the SB counts as a full bet). E.g., you're UTG with double suited aces and raise pot. You would put $7 out (SB+BB+call+raise).

Stan said "raise to 5", which means 5 straight. That's half-pot raise, since 8 straight is the usual open-raise amount (except for SB).