if they charge 5 per half as they would in 5/5 plo then yes
but why would you want to have 100 dollars an hour come off the table instead of 60-70 to get a dollar more an hour in comp dollars?

the only time it makes sense is when the game is short handed

it's 1/2 PLO....paying $1 an hour....and that's fine.

Blinds SHOULD count as $2 each...opening full pot to $8

Making it a $5 bring in is fun. No $2 limp....a limp is $5.

a $5 limp/Bring in should in NO WAY CHANGE THE BLINDS. They should still count as $2 each. A $5 bring in is just an understanding of the players at the table to spice up the game a bit.

I'm not even sure what the argument is. It's quite simple.

If you want to play bigger, sign up for 2/5

I don't LIKE when people buy in for $100 and try for a quick double....but it's well within the rule so it doesn't bother me at all. I was in the player pool that was there a lot at the beginning of this game and I remember Esch doing that quite a few times. Not sure if he was for or against it but he 100% did that on numerous occasions I was in the game.

No, I never wear a hat. I was seat 6, I think.

Hello All,

The new tournament schedule is effective from today.

Please do share with the group the experience and the number of people trying out the new format.

Advance thanks for your TR's/Updates.

GolfPro

Stan or Tab,

Great job tweaking the tournament line-up.

I was wondering how the number of payouts in the $40+10 re-buy game will be calculated. Will the number of payouts be based on the number of buy-ins or by the number of player's entering the game?

Also, will the amount of the min-cash pay-out be higher than in a no-rebuy game?

I can't wait to get back up there to see how these games play.

FX

Stan,
will the poker room be showing to ufc fight on Saturday night?

OK, I remember you. You were involved in the 5 way all-in at the start of the game that day, right?

I don't think so. I wasn't there since the start of the game, I sat down at around 7 pm when it was a full table.

Nah, we didn't cross paths then. I got up for dinner just after 7 when we were playing 4 handed. It must have filled immediately after I left.

Go Brandon Novena!
Final Table at the Borgata Poker Open

Pretty much in agreement with all of the above - just choosing this post to reply to stuff.

I like how I've been categorized (indirectly) as a "jerk," a "scumbag," and not liked. All in the one page of this thread. Not taking it personally, of course.

I do think it's weird how people feel practically entitled to this $5 BI, BB/SB counts as $5 scenario. As if there's this right or wrong aspect to it. If people want to play $1/$2 at a $1/$2 game, I'm not really going to blame them for it. Especially when a 2/5 game is running.

Also kind of weird - the "oh, it makes the pot so much easier to calculate." After hundreds of hours of observing Borgata 1/2 PLO, seems to me that using a $5 bring-in brings enough issues of it's own that the time savings is practically a wash.

#1: There's always more arguments than needed w/ $5BI about what the 3-bet should be.
#2: The flop bet is pretty straight-forward whether it's $14 or $35.
#3: Once it's gets re-potted or someone is all-in, everyone is usually confused to heck anyway.
#4 preflop w/o the $5 BI is pretty painless with the typical players playing.

Glad to see the PLO/8-CCC issue finally cleared up. I've only asked about that here directly 2 or 3 times. Just plain gave up a while ago. (PLO/8 runs daily? Really?)

And I'll keep being the guy who'll refuse to add the $5 BI. Just because. (I'll play along if it's already in place though.)

Also, (I don't know why this even needs to said) but the open raise at Borgata's 1/2 PLO is $8 (except SS v. BB, of course.) That's pretty much set in stone. Not as standard (since it kind of breaks the PL rule) is the open-raise for $10 when $5 BI is in place. Yet, people keep wanting to put out $15 or $20 UTG.

And for the record, I don't mind the short-stack pushing stuff. I still do it w/ my first $200 buy-in. AS LONG as they aren't doing the hit-n-run.

Number of total buy-ins. Our pay schedule is the same regardless of what type of tournament it is (execpt HU).

Stan

+1

I agree with all your points esch. For me, since I'm good at keeping track of the pot, I really don't care what the table does, but I'd prefer to keep it as a $1/$2 PLO game and count dollar-for-dollar. If the table unofficially decides to have the open raise be $5 every time, then that's fine with me. People don't realize that this is just called "table flow;" it's really no different than finding a $1/$2NL game that has people raising to $13+ pre-flop versue a game that is only open-raising for $6-$8. You just have to conform to the game.

I would rather that Stan come on and just put an end to this and say "if game-flow dictates that the 1st person to raise should bet $5, that's fine, but you must announce it every time in order to be 100% clear. The house will not endorse a $1-$2-$5 game because it is not compliant with CCC guidelines."

Now, another issue I have is the counting of the small blind as $2 pre-flop. Then if the small blind folds the $1, when the pot is counted post-flop, it has $1 less than it theoretically should because of the bump from $1 to $2. Is that really the house rule to count the SB as $2 pre-flop? I know I'm talking about a dollar, but it's just a pet peeve of mine. (I know that the $2/$5 counts the SB as $5 and I'm fine with that because it plays so big). Maybe I've just played online too much, but I'm just used to counting dollar-for-dollar regardless and my opinion is that that should be the standard. Do you think that the people playing $25/$50 PLO are rounding the $25 to $50? (I sure hope not, but maybe they are?)

There's no right answer that everyone will agree upon for the $1/$2 PLO, but with the other stakes, maybe it would make things better is the $2/$5 became $5/$5, the $5/$10 became $10/$10, etc. But I know that would involve paperwork, applications, and other resources and is probably not worth it.

I was one of those who characterized people who stubbornly threw out $2 knowing it would be raised to $5 as "jerks". It was a poor choice of words and I apologize.

I don't feel 'entitled' to the $5 BI, but I do like it. However, as stated in a previous post, I will continue to play in the game in whatever form it takes.

I do think it makes calculations easier, especially for the newbies.

Been running pretty regularly in limit form, occasionally as PL. Was definitely daily during the BPO.

Fair enough.

I have no problem with this either. It's PLO. I'm willing to gamble with you if I like my hand, especially against a short stack. If you're a shortstacking maniac who wants to shove it in pre knowing you're not much of a dog, that's fine. Just so long as you don't whine when you lose 4 in a row or hit'n'run after winning a five way all-in.

I last sat in the game on 9/11 when the table was opened and we had a 5 way all-in on the very first hand. I chopped it with another guy who immediately racked up, while I played for another 4 hours.

The first time I played PLO live in the United States was @ the Venetian in Las Vegas. Jeff Hwang had helped to put together the game, which included writing up a set of rules and having laminated copies of those rules at the table while the game was going. He also started having the game at a set day and time, which iirc was Thursdays @ 8:00p.

Once players knew that other PLO players definitely would be at the V at that day and time, the game grew to be played most weeks from Wednesdays through Sundays. I'm not sure of the current state of the game at this time, but I know it was going strong the entire time I was there in late June of this year.

I think the Borgata could be very successful doing something similar to what Jeff did at the V: set a day and time, maybe Saturdays @ 3:00p, or Thursdays @ 8:00p, or whatever works for most local PLO players in this thread and otherwise known regulars; make a list of rules and have them available at the table; and make sure the games is announced frequently when seats are available. The Borgata already is great with that last issue, so the first two really shouldn't be too difficult.

I agree with others in this thread who said they're fine with playing under any set of rules, but who also would like a more clear set of rules.

I also know that Stan already responded to that issue and told us that he was going to be speaking to floor managers to make sure they're clear on the rules. Thanks for that, Stan. If someone on staff (or even a trusted regular) could get the rules down on paper and have them available at the table, I think it would do wonders for both consistency and taking some of the fear factor out of the game for newbies.

What is a typical turnout for the Saturday 150+30 deepstack?

Great points, Rapini, but I'm sure Stan deals with more limitations due to being in AC than others who operate in LV. A laminated document of the rules would suffice, more for the floor people/dealers than the players as it seems that the players are better at counting the pot and enforcing accurate betting most of the time.

Thanks again Stan for making all of this a priority as it seems that the PLO games have been running with more frequency as of late (probably because of the WPT) and I hope that that trend continues after Dwyte takes down the title (shameless support, I know!).

brand-new tournament, so it's anybody's guess.

Stan, I was looking through some pics of the main event and it was cool seeing dealers I recognized and have interacted with. How do you choose the dealer(s) for the final table? Do they switch every down?

I think If advertised the Saturday weekly deepstack could
be an amazing tournament, maybe getting more people then fridays garuntee. 25k starting stack and 20 min levels, doesn't get much better thEn that for a weekly

i though i saw 25000, could be wrong

Same blinds structure/ levels (20 mins) as a normal daily (at least the old normal) but you start with 25K instead of 10K.

I love that tourney. I'll def be playing....maybe as soon as this Sat.

Where is the PLO game usually played? I always look for it when its running but can never see where its at. Plz no table numbers as I suck at that as well.

Haven't played in it since June but it was always by the back registration window.....back right of the room. Might have been table 58

Hoping to come down tomorrow night. Dying to play...

Yea it's usually in the back right. ....I mean you never thought to ask a floor man where the game was? They are there for a reason...