I think the countdown is pretty standard and 0 = dead hand

BUT...the hand in question had no countdown, right? The floor recognized the clock call, said they have one min to act....then after a min said "one min is up"....then did nothing for 30-40 seconds.....then the player called.

Terrible job by the floor (if the hand breakdown is completely factual).

The right thing needs to be done.....they have to make up for the incompetence =...simple as that

....again if the hand recounting is 100% factual.

Ship that guy his 9K

Does anyone really expect Borgata to ship the guy anything? It sucks that it happened, if it happened the way described, but giving anything other than some comps would be pretty unprecedented.

The cafeteria isn't that bad. Well, I don't like Tony Luke's, nor the Italian place... never had the salad, but the Japanese grill place isn't bad and Fatburger is always decent albeit greasy. The line for Fatburger is pretty crappy after around 3am when it's the only thing open though.

Noodles of the World is pretty good. I love the food there.

Borgata buffet is the best in AC. Only Harrahs can come close when you consider taste, quality and variety of food.

Lord there is nothing better then the Borgata buffet when you're ****ed up.

The hand in question here did have a countdown, and after the floor said times up the other player called 45 seconds later.

Ive played with Brian before, (though was not there last weekend)

I would ask two specific questions. The girl that was tanking and on the clock? Was she a regular as well? There are only 2 that I know of that play 10/25 on a regular basis...

If so its totally difficult for the fact that most duals (both deal/floor) have to walk a line that they are going to stay friendly with their core players (still have to make tips on the dealing days) but this affects their professionalism when they are on the floor (in which they can NEVER accept tips to make sure there is no undue influence).

Not saying that all of the duals act unprofessional or buckle to the pressure from the regular players... but it is human nature too make personal relationships with people that you like... and sometimes get better rulings/preferential treatment, even if it is not on purpose.

But regardless, clock is the clock, floor would have done their job correctly by asking the dealer first and foremost if the player had sufficient time for a decision. If so a hard countdown of sixty seconds, by the last ten seconds inform that the hand will be dead in 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1... Slight Pause... HAND IS DEAD.

There should be no additional consideration or quibbling about this. And honestly clock being called at this level usually means someone has tanked for over 5 min already, regardless of the pot size.

What EXACTLY was happening in the 45 secs between the end of the countdown and the call? Hard to imagine that in a 10-25 game, no one else spoke up to simply ask what the action was, esp. since the original countdown was initiated by another player not in the hand who felt enough time had passed to call clock on the tanker. So there was just complete silence from the rest of the table about the hand in question with 9K sitting in the middle for a full 45 secs AFTER the 1 minute countdown while the floorperson just "talked to the other players" about what, the weather? Sorry just seems like some details are missing.
Either way, OP has no recourse. Floor did not kill opponent's hand and never said it would be after the countdown. It seems like a weird ruling as the situation is described, but opponent did nothing wrong and best hand won at showdown. No way Borg is liable for at worst, a borderline judgment call by the floorperson.

That's a good point. There is definitely a conflict of interest with that arrangement. This is another reason why tipping is so stupid in a poker room, people who arbitrate money decisions should never, ever be tipped.

This whole controversy sounds like a failure on the part of the floor to execute their duties. Additionally it sounds like the shift manager screwed up as well. If it turns out these people screwed up they should be disciplined accordingly. Suspending them without pay if they are found to be responsible in this matter would be completely appropriate. After all they cost the player THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS! If I were working for a company and my mistakes cost a client thousands of dollars I would probably be fired or reprimanded at the very least. Why should it be any different for gamblers and casino management?

Wow really sounds like they blew this call, hope you get compensated something for this blunder.

like free buffet

Is the lunch buffet really good? I've heard great things about the breakfast buffet and would like some info on lunch too.

You're in on Monday. Have a great time.

Stan

Hey can I get compensated when someone calls my bluff?

I understand that a clock was called and do feel that it was not handled correctly. The fact that the best hand one at showdown seems to be getting ignored here.

Too many folks are trying to allow trickery into the game in order to win. How some of you consider this to be part of poker I dont know. I am old school here - cards read.

How is this different than what happened with Jason Young during the main event last year when after seeing the guys hand he called an all in and went on to win the event? I do not think that the guy who went all in was compensated. (and while I do think that Jason's explaination helped clear up some misunderstanding regarding the eventual call he made the fact still remains that he called an all-in after the guy exposed his cards thinking that Jason folded - the best hand won).

I think that allowing the best hand to win at showdown is a great concept. And while I am sorry that Brian lost a huge pot -- if he is compensated I would like to have my buyin back from the 1k event 2 months ago when I made a move on the guy and he went to muck but at that exact moment my cell phone which was on vibrate startled me and I jumped so he said call rather than muck and turned his cards face up to beat me.

Literally everything you said is completely irrelevant.

It's a 9K pot so I'm sure the clock wasn't called after 45 seconds....AND IT WASN'T EVEN BRIAN that called the clock. There was no angle shoot....it's a freaking rule that the floor obv recognized, then didn't enforce

This isn't an old school/new school issue.

Rules are rules, this situation is laughable. You had no recourse but to sit there and maybe get more nervous. In fact, if anything, the player could use that extra 45 seconds to try to get a read on you. I do it all the time, if i get put in any weird situation I ask the guy a few questions and look to see what their "nervous level" is. She might not have been doing that to you, but after thinking about this situation in your shoes I immediately agreed you were wronged.

And yes, the Borgata's reputation is on the line. It's little things that make you like one particular place than another. Why not play at the Taj? Because it's dirty, the players are scumbags, the floorpeople are clowns, etc etc etc. With all the competition these days, I don't see how the Borgata can afford to start making mistakes like this without being addressed.

See exactly my point I never said Brian called the clock - I said

The fact that the best hand one at showdown seems to be getting ignored here.

If he felt that the hand should have been declared dead he should have not released his cards/shown them etc. until the hand was declared dead then not after he loses the pot. We do not know all the facts here - whose cards where shown first.

I know for a fact that if I felt that I wanted his cards declared dead I would not have released my cards until they were dead. I dont care if it was a $9 pot or $9k - to bitch here after the fact is an angle shot. He wanted a call and thought he had the best hand maybe - maybe not. We dont know the facts.

I do feel that once he lost the hand and wants to be compensated is an angle shot. To try to make Stan and his staff look bad because he lost a 9k pot is just not right. But then again I play like crap so what do I know.

Just my 2 cents:

Floor blew the call. It happens. I would, and OP should be furious, but in time, get over it. Borgata in no way is liable for compensation, but dinner for 4 at OP's choice at the very least as an offering of peace would be in order IMHO.

Dinner for 4 instead of 9k? Ahhhhhh Not so sure anyone in their right mind would take that.

This is a good point. What was everyone else at the table doing and why didn't anyone else speak up? If we all are truly serious poker players, don't we want to uphold the integrity of the game? It's not just up to the casino staff. I think all players at the table are responsible for making sure the integrity of the game is being preserved. It was a person not involved in the hand that called the clock. Why didn't that person speak up when the countdown was over? If he was just going to sit there until she felt like calling/folding then why call the clock in the first place? I just think there are other people that were involved that need to also take responsibility versus just saying the casino staff was at fault.

Just my opinion.

Hey Stan, how bout a game report?

In one week will be driving to borgata right NOW! Just lookin to see what a weds afternoon looks like lately. thanks!

http://www.theborgata.com/poker_live_data.cfm

I'm surprised the guy who cared enough to call the clock didn't care enough to ask why the hand wasn't over when the minute ran out.

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