They are replacing three tables out front with stud tables...

Just woke up with a minor hangover at the happy place. My friend and I DEFINITELY took advantage of the Amphora Lounge. You name it. Crown royale, bellvidere, JW and Corona all night!

I played 1-2 NLHE at table 3 afterwards for about 2.5 hours. Except for one old Asian fish, who was the typical gambler, the table was tight as rock and the cards were once again cold on me. But thankfully, I still took down pots while taking advantage of the tightness and left the table breaking even. THE only gain was MORE COMP DOLLARS! $1.50 per hour man.

Also, speaking about comp cards, I notice the floor re-swipes cards every two hours. Nice change to prevent comp theft. Though a player must sign-out a usual at the front desk (or a floor, if you're playing overnight.)

Stan took care me as always and I say a gracious thank you.

I was there this past Saturday playing 2/5 NL and the floor was not coming around asking for cards. Maybe they implemented this change beginning yesterday?

Wow that's a lot of work for when they got 30+ NLH tables going.. I don't see why they don't get the tables where the dealers swipe you in/out.

what if you are on a 20 minute food break and arent there when they swipe, then you come back and it's 90 minutes to the next swipe... is the rule to get food just after the re-swipe?

How come the tourney rate doesnt start the night before the 1st tourney as not offering a rate will deter people who live 2 -3 hours away from playing the first event... im not sure if its an oversight but should be looked into..

PM me. What do you need?

Stan

Stan

Going down now. You gonna be there around 8 Stan? If not, tomorrow?

i tried to buy chips for $200. 160 in reds and 40 in whites but she gave me back 60 dollars in cash and 140 in chips. why?

borgata getting bravo system one time??????

Lovely. That will sure slow things down as people get swiped in/out. Lotta fun in the time games, where you lose several hands/down as people come & go.

wat? it takes like 4 seconds to clock somebody in/out

Yup, do that every 4-5 hands and it takes a toll, over the night. Then add in the swipe and entry when a new player comes to the table. How often does that happen in a session?

And, if you have never seen the system, you'll quickly learn that they sometimes are quite finicky. I've seen more than a few dealers have trouble with them accepting button presses.

It's more of a pain in the ass, than anything. In a rake game, I wouldn't care so much. In a time game, keep dealing.

The advantage is all "house". We get nothing from it.

Played the tables at Del Park, with the bravo system. Works wonderfully there. I do not see a problem with bravo system.

really excited, will be at the Borgata friday-sunday

I haven't seen Bravo slow games down.

Competent dealers manage the bravo system while they're waiting for players to finish their showboating make their decision or other times that they are just sitting anyway.

Benefits of the Bravo system to the players:

1. No more losing comps because you forgot to clock out! This alone should be worth it.
2. Comp chasers are motivated to keep their butts in the seats instead of going for hour long walks leaving the table short-handed.
3. Seats are filled more quickly as open seats show up at the podiums.
4. Floors and chip-runners (when available) can be summoned without the dealer/players having to keep their eye out or start shouting.

I imagine comp chasers hate Bravo as it keeps them honest.

sure…….it’s to the room’s advantage to enhance the comp rates followed by the implimentation of a system, at their expense, that basically ensures each player receives full value. not like anyone here has ever forgotten to swipe-out after an exhausting session.

appears the only folks legitimately viewing bravo as a detriment are possibly those who have made a practice of gaming the current system.

fwiw….the potential value offered a winning player through the automated tracking of open seats, fills, etc. compensates many times over for that "lost" four second swipe.

the ability to deal with the obligatory knee-jerk vocal resistance of a few to any change (regardless of how positive), yet continue to pursue innovation on the player’s behalf, is what sets stan (i.e., borgata) apart.

Not quite. It basically eliminates the possibility of gaming the system, which means that players that actually play can get more comps. It also helps coordinate the system of seating the players, which often falls apart at Borgata when it's packed.

One of the floor guys told me when the new system is implemented the dealers will put players on 'standby' if they get up for just a few minutes to go to the bathroom or get something to eat. I don't understand this as we are still paying time while we are in the bathroom/eating/etc.

Can anyone confirm that this will happen, as it doesn't make any sense to me.

Maybe they'll have a different policy for rake and time games. Are dead stacks a problem in time games? The rake game I play seems to regularly have multiple dead stacks (3-4) at certain times that annoys other players.

Did the floor say when this would happen?

They take time off dead stacks, so it really makes no difference to the house if someone is away from their seat. It hurts the players of course if people are gone for awhile. The Borg, as well as any other casino I've been to, are pretty reluctant to pick up someone's chips. The room either has to be jam-packed, or the players have to clamor incessantly for the floor to come over before the floor will respond. I can count on one hand the times I've actually seen the floor pick up someone's chips.

This by the way is one of the many reasons a time charge is superior to a rake--people on extended breaks still have to pay up.

Not true, and this is if we get the system.

Stan

Not going to happen.

Stan

Others have said it as well, but Bravo-type systems are good for players because they keep people who would otherwise clock in and walk (see the 10/20 LHE and 10/20 O8 games for good examples of that) at the table.

Just as Stan said, there shouldn't be a separate rule for time and rake games because the same issue, people walking just to collect comps, affects both time and rake games.