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08-07-2010 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by DrewOnTilt
Good grief, Stan. This makes no sense. I mean, props for experimenting with new things and for running one of the best rooms on the East Coast, but this just befuddles me. It is way too confusing and is going to lead to repeated ridiculous questions from and explanations to table noobs.
Well Posted in the room and i have not had to answer one question so far. In the room that is.

Stan
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08-07-2010 , 03:15 PM
Stan, can I get a game report please.
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08-07-2010 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by agent87
I have to disagree with this statement (maybe because I'm adamantly opposed to BBJs). The recreational gambler/tourist has no idea what the different BBJ amounts are at the various casinos. Only the regulars follow it. The tourist just plays in whatever casino he happens to be at that moment. For example, a tourist going to the beach and staying at the Taj will just play at the Taj. He has no idea what the BBJ is at the Borgata and isn't going to make a special trip to it if the BBJ is really high there. The locals will, but not the tourists.

As a matter of fact, I would argue that when the BBJ gets really high somewhere, then all the locals go to play at that particular casino and you'll find a much better game filled with tourists in the other casinos that don't have a high BBJ.

I'd love to see someone post stats about how many players were in the room on average before Borgata had the BBJ vs After they had the BBJ vs After they changed it now to create larger BBJs. I predict the *average* will be the same. It may fluctuate more when it gets large somewhere, but on the whole, I don't think the average changed. (Of course, I could be wrong, so I'm waiting to be proven wrong...)
The purpose of my post was to argue that the BBJ draws some people that would not have played before. I agree with you that the average tourist has no idea what the area BBJ's are at. I was just sharing my personal experiences at the table in regards to hearing players say they were there playing poker for the fun of it and a shot at hitting the BBJ. I think it is worth keeping even if it only attracts a handful of additional players to the room. A few extra inexperienced players setting foot into any poker room with a BBJ is better than them not coming at all.
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08-07-2010 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Ruler of the East
Seriously, what do you think the BBJP is all about? Why did Harrah's ask the commission to approve the BBJP three years ago? It is a marketing tool. Personally, i do not like the BBJP. I think we would be better off (AC) without it. But that is not the case. The BBJP is not going anywhere so I have to market the room the best that i can.

Stan
Excellent marketing decision by putting new felt on the tables (at least the one I was sitting at). New felt is the thing the poker customer notices most while he or she is playing.

If Trump the Apprentice would have thought of springing for new felt we all would have never left the Taj for the Borgata...

Last edited by nineinchal; 08-07-2010 at 04:14 PM.
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08-07-2010 , 04:28 PM
haven't seen a good discussion about anything in this thread in a while. Good job Stan on sparking some controversy!

Personally, as a regular 1/2 player, I don't care what you do with the BBJ so long as it puts more people at the table. I will deal with having to explain it to noobs if they are more than willing to put their money in the pot drawing thin. If it brings more players to the game, then good. I would rather experience the possible variance of playing people that don't know what they are doing than have a room full of regulars and trying to grind out a profit that way. Besides, if anybody (including myself) doesn't want to play at a table that takes out for the BBJ, then learn to improve your game and move up to 5/10NL, 10/25NL, 40/80 limit, or play the mixed games (which I'm thankful you push).
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08-07-2010 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Shagadelic
I usually do not like jumping on the hating wagon. But NewDawn you come across as one of the most ignorant supposed "pro" poker player on a website that has its fair share of arrogant e-tard douchebags.

First, for ALL of your damn posts, the thing called a PERIOD should always be followed by pushing the big centrally located space bar button twice with your gigantic man paws.

Second, I am not exactly a grammar nazi, but when your posts consistently look like you either ate a lot of paint chips or were repeatedly beaten as a kid (you are not a red-headed step child are you?) Pretty sure the chubby fourth grader who eats the glue at school knows more about sentence structure than you.

Third, EVERY time you respond to a post you consistently spew the most nonsense I have seen, but somehow think that your opinion should be heard about every single topic when someone is talking about any kind of poker pro situation, I'm pretty sure you are describing your own self loathing when you describe, in your mind, how all poker pros live. Your ignorance is only compounded by your stupidity.

Could write more... but would rather not get banned now...
Im so sorry your right everyone wins. Oh and all the young kids thinking this is a good way to live are all on the right track. Trust me buddy if your who i think you are the only tail you get is the ass you pay for. I just try to give some of the dark side of chasing the dream. Maybe your right ill just give the fluff out like the rest of you. that dude leap of a bridge because of money and thats the sadest part of the the whole story. Maybe if Shag was his friend you could have said "Hey man its friggin money it means zero in the end" but i doubt you have the heart to take that kind of stand. So again so sorry man ill stay off the thread.
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08-07-2010 , 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by caldor king
Besides, if anybody (including myself) doesn't want to play at a table that takes out for the BBJ, then learn to improve your game and move up to 5/10NL, 10/25NL, 40/80 limit, or play the mixed games (which I'm thankful you push).
I thought 5/10 NL was BBJP eligible? Or did they change this as well? I play in this game very rarely, but I've always thought it was odd that it was treated as a lower-stakes game than 20/40 LHE (in terms of time charge, location, BBJP etc).
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08-07-2010 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by NickMPK
I thought 5/10 NL was BBJP eligible? Or did they change this as well? I play in this game very rarely, but I've always thought it was odd that it was treated as a lower-stakes game than 20/40 LHE (in terms of time charge, location, BBJP etc).
5-10 NL is eligible

Stan
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08-07-2010 , 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Ruler of the East
5-10 NL is eligible

Stan
my bad, but you get my point.

Stan, got a game report for today? Thanks.
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08-07-2010 , 05:38 PM
Hey, whatever brings fresh meat to the game is fine with me. I just don't see how this BBJ arrangement accomplishes that better than a standard BBJ.
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08-07-2010 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by DrewOnTilt
Hey, whatever brings fresh meat to the game is fine with me. I just don't see how this BBJ arrangement accomplishes that better than a standard BBJ.
All i can ask is that you trust me and give me a couple months to prove it.

Stan
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08-07-2010 , 05:42 PM
Don't say that too loudly around here, Stan. Managers of these boards might get angry with you for promoting the game of poker. :-)
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08-07-2010 , 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by nocrying
Stan, can I get a game report please.
Time for a live game report Saturday 5:40pm


(51) Live Games


(3) 2-4 LHE
(2) 3-6 LHE
(3) 10-20 LHE
(2) 20-40 LHE
(2) 40-80 LHE


(1) 1-2 PLO
(2) 10-20 Omaha H/L
(1) 30-60 Stud
(2) 75-150 Stud
(1) 100-200 O.E.


(18) 1-2 NL
(10) 2-5 NL
(3) 5-10 NL
(1) 10-25 NL


(92) 11am $300 + $40 NL Tournament


BBJP $121,685


Stan
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08-07-2010 , 05:46 PM
5-10 NL open seating and I am in the game. Free money for all!
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08-07-2010 , 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Ruler of the East
All i can ask is that you trust me and give me a couple months to prove it.

Stan
How can we not trust you?@!?!!?!?#@? You're the man of the people for the people! We are all appreciative of what you do for the poker community.

When I'm down on a Wednesday night in November and see 15 tables of 1/2 NL going, I'll think "Gee, I remember Stan telling us that this new BBJ was gonna work out just fine back in August, glad I listened to him!"

Thanks for the game reports.
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08-07-2010 , 08:03 PM
What if any is the reason behind WPT Borgata Main Event being only a 3500$ buy in instead of the usual 10,000$
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08-07-2010 , 08:27 PM
game report Stan?
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08-08-2010 , 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Rtaylor86
What if any is the reason behind WPT Borgata Main Event being only a 3500$ buy in instead of the usual 10,000$
If they stuck to the 10k buy in they would have a tough time getting a field over 100 people. The 3k buy in was a stroke of genius . The encomy went bad and The Borgata made the switch to adjust. At $3500 and the the good number they draw it might be the best tournament in the country . The structure is also very good.
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08-08-2010 , 09:17 AM
Stan,

Hope you enjoyed your vacation! Can you not go on vacation next time I come down so I can finally meet you?! Also, can you remind me to sign out when I leave the room...blah lost like 10 hours over the two days I was there lol
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08-08-2010 , 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by PardoG
Stan,

Hope you enjoyed your vacation! Can you not go on vacation next time I come down so I can finally meet you?! Also, can you remind me to sign out when I leave the room...blah lost like 10 hours over the two days I was there lol
Next time your in come see me about your 10 hours lost. Vacation was great, thanks for asking. Went to the Black Eyed Peas concert last night. It was so LOUD. Had a good time though.

Stan
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08-08-2010 , 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Rtaylor86
What if any is the reason behind WPT Borgata Main Event being only a 3500$ buy in instead of the usual 10,000$
Lots of reasons for the change. The economy was the main reason. We wanted all players to have access to the WPT. We had over 1000 players in out last WPT event. With the new changes coming from the WPT, the shows will be much better and more players will be on TV. No longer will it be just the six players at the end. They will now show hands from the beginning and tell player stories. Great to see these changes!

Stan
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08-08-2010 , 10:41 AM
Most likely coming up today or tomorrow to replace my lost red card and then breaking it in with a 1/2 session.

Borgata switching WPT to 3500 is definitely smart. 10k BI just aren't realistic in the current economy/state of the game.
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08-08-2010 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Ruler of the East
Seriously, what do you think the BBJP is all about? Why did Harrah's ask the commission to approve the BBJP three years ago? It is a marketing tool. Personally, i do not like the BBJP. I think we would be better off (AC) without it. But that is not the case. The BBJP is not going anywhere so I have to market the room the best that i can.

Stan
+1 I agree. I'ld rather not play with a BBJP in place, but it is inevitable.

And, probably, of benefit to us regular players. Just think of how many times people throw money into the pot because "I have a BBJ hand" without ever thinking of what the odds are that it will hit?

How many pure gamblers (and thus bad players) bring their money to the table in hopes of hitting it - who would be playing something other than poker if the BBJ wasn't there?

Sure, I find it annoying. And it must be a real pain for the poker room floor and managers. But it does bring in the players. Thus, it would seem to be an overall plus for poker.

Lee
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08-08-2010 , 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by NEWDAWN
Really? Take a good look around any Poker room you will see many depressed people.Think about it a person that is calling him or herself a "Pro" that is very sad and depressing.This poor guy most likely thought that he could be a winning poker playing.He may have also tried help some of his so called new poker friends. When all this fails as it does most times it can really put a hurting on someone. 95% of the people that play poker lose. Only 3% to 5% can really make a living.You never see Espn get into how most of the TV pros are just lucky people that are scoring big in the business of poker. Other then Ivey, Brunson and Dwan I don't see one TV PRO that could beat a 2/5 game at Borgata.
Another mistake players make is thinking your gonna grind out a living playing 1/2 and 2/5 in a live setting. You have almost a zero shot. It would
Also depend on what you call a living. If you call playing 70 hrs a week and making 40k a year a living then I feel sorry for you.I always have concern foe all the you guys I see trying to make it in poker. I've told many don't quit school , don't quit your job , don't play as much, don't let it consume you.even the great Ivey couldn't beat the 2/5 np game for 100k per year. Making a 100k a year isn't that hard to make in the real world.the person that deals card to you in a good room is making close to 100k a year. The bartender that serves you a drink in a glass can make 100k. Next time your at the TaJ just
Stand there and take a good look around the room. You'll see plenty of older guys that wish they never saw a poker room and I'm sure thought of jumping off a bridge.
My, my, Newdawn - aren't you just the bright ray of sunshine!? I can't recall the last time I've seen such a pessimist posting here.

If making $100,000 a year is so easy - then why is the national average wage less than 1/2 of that? (According the US Census site, the median household income was $52,029 in 2008(latest year shown) - but that includes households with more than one wage earner.)

I don't know what dealers and waitresses typically make, but it is difficult to see how they are making over $100,000 a year. Maybe a very few manage this - most certainly don't. I've seen them cash out.

As for how depressed people are in a poker room - just look around and you'll see lots of smiling faces and hear lots of laughter. I know that I do. Are some people bummed? Sure. So are lots of "cubicle rats".

Me? I'ld rather be grinding it out at the tables than stuck in an office. My choice. I'll probably never be rich - but the bills are all paid.

Lee
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08-08-2010 , 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by DimaBrooklyn
Hi Stan,

Since I don't have PM option I decided to post within the thread.
I know you are constantly requested to post game reports within this thread and sometimes it requires page scrolling just to find most recent one. I think this situation can be improved for all parties involved. I was planning to create a game status tracking website so that all of us can get instant updates from the games instead of coming here all the time. This of course would require you or other room managers using the site to post updates. Is this something that you might be interested in? I'll be able to let users subscribe to game updates so that your updates will be distributed by email or will be available on the site. Just thinking of ways to help us all
Thanks.

Dmitry.
Stan, do you think that such website service will be useful?
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