A few months ago a trouble-making reg at my table hit a high hand but loudly insisted that he didn’t want it and Borg let it go.

About a month later he hit another one and again insisted that he didn’t want the money. This time the floor required him to show his ID anyway “for the records”. The reg told them he didn’t have an ID on him, so they tossed him out. It’s a NJ requirement that you must have ID on you if asked for any reason.

Later some floorpeople and dealers were chatting amongst themselves but within earshot of some of us players. Poker room management doesn’t support them when they toss unruly players but there’s nothing the boss can do to stop them from tossing someone who doesn’t have ID.

I’d make a wager that that is at the root of what you observed.

This is true but it’s your tier credits earned per day that determines the room offers according to the poker room manager. Although currently the system is so screwy I’m not sure he even knows.

That is how it was explained to us by the previous poker director but since the start of the new year there’s been a change in the formula that they won’t explain to us. Average daily play (or tier points earned per day if you prefer) is clearly not the only factor anymore.

Here’s what I see now, flat $59 per day even on weekdays. I only play poker but had comped weekend roomed since 2016. Starting 4/1 I’ve had no comped rooms any day of thr week, although seems like weekend is discounted down to same as weekday

No my info is from the current guy. I don’t think it’s that they won’t explain it to us.
I suspect they truly don’t know. I average 12hrs/day so 24 tc and used to get m-sun comp currently getting squat. The only way to verify that the formula has changed is to find someone who gets 24/day from the pits and see if they are getting better offers. Maybe they’ve just raised the threshold across the board.

Edit to add: actually it’s 150 tc/hr. So it would be great to find someone who earns 1800 tc/ day from pit games and see what they’re getting. Without that we can only guess.

The other thing the manager told me was “we’re merging three different systems and building a bridge to have one talk to the other….” Etc etc.

So it’s tough to tell how much of the cut is intentional and how much is a product of all the system quirks. It’s likely a bit of both and why we can’t get any straight answers at least until or if ever they iron out their systems.

There are a few things going on. They have several different ranking levels to get rooms, with cutoffs on the amount of play it takes to hit a higher level. They made it a little tougher starting last year sometime.

Second, they appear to have fewer rooms available in the summer due to labor shortages. That was the case last year, and I'm not sure if it'll be resolved or not this year. They use seasonal workers from outside the country and have had issues bringing as many in. They don't need as many rooms the rest of the year, so they don't like to keep a full staff employed year-round. So that's a supply shortage.

Third, there's inflation, which is driving up costs in general. So maybe our play used to be worth like $150 in room comps to them, and they used to account for a room at a rate < $150, but now with inflation it's more like $200 for a room, so we're not getting offers. And since there are levels and it's not a sliding scale, it's not like you'd just need to generate X% more play to get to whatever they count a room as, you'd need to jump another level - which may not be possible off poker.

I'll say this: I'd be pretty surprised if anyone started getting any free rooms before September.

Sorry if this already has been discussed, but did the Borg do away with the Gold card holders' two-buffets-for-$25 in comps?

Somebody knows what the new formula is and is not passing it on to the players. If the poker director doesn’t know what it is then he should be working his ass off to find out what the hell is going on.

Raising the threshold is part of the story but not the whole of it. Some players have been continuing to get offers while others with even higher avg daily play have lost theirs.

Maybe total play in a month is now a factor. Maybe your distance from Borgata is now a factor. Maybe card type is now a factor. Maybe this and maybe that. Somebody knows what changed because somebody approved the changes.

Edit: FWIW I had conversations with people in the marketing department and with VIP hosts to try to get to bottom of why my offers vanished in mid-Feb. They looked at my play history and thought it was odd. They said this was something for the poker director to look into. They would speak to him and have him contact me. I never heard from him.

Is Amphora lounge still $12.50 in comps.and can you
still opt for the buffet instead?
Whats the days and hours amphora is open. thanks

No, they didn't do away with it. We did that this past trip.


Yes Amphora is for gold+ and $12.50 in comps.
I think they are open every day, early dinner to late dinner approx timing.

Unless your name is Wendeen Eolis you're drawing dead to getting an answer from the poker director. He didn't give too many ****s before and now that he's on his way to retirement the number of ****s given went all the way down to zero.

It couldnt hurt to follow up with him. When I spoke to him he was polite and direct and so was I.

He’s almost always cordial. But what does it tell you that he’s been asked the same questions about reduced room comps hundreds of times from dozens and dozens of players starting at least three months ago and he still had no answer for you?

“I can’t do nuttin about it” *shrugs shoulders* “They won’t tell me anything”.

Players who hide their identity usually fall into 4 categories IMO:

1. Illegal alien with no ID
2. Don't wanna lower their ratings from table games
3. Owe child support or other gov't agencies and are afraid they might find out
4. Have outstanding warrants.

I don't mind that they ask for ID when someone is acting suspicious like that, I've played with some extremely deep hard criminals in the past, some were white collar crimes and one was serial bank robber who was a bad reg that kept donating money week after week until he got caught (he was called the silent bandit) so it's good that alert supervisors are taking an initiative to weed these guys out.

Closes at 11 wknds, I think 10 weekdays. If you're looking to drink, go to Amphora, but if you're looking to eat just go to the buffet even if it's 10 bucks or so more (that's my opinion)

I once had a guy try and say he wanted to see my hand when he bet river i called and I lost. I told him he's accusing me of colluding with him and he started screaming he can see my hand which I slammed into the muck.

He's polite.
And useless.

That’s bad etiquette on his part.

I did. I suspect they know and don't care. They want free information, or to try to humiliate/shame the player into showing an outright bluff or weak hand.

The players didn't seem to change their levels of play (loose and aggressive). So maybe no harm no foul?


I think it maybe time to tweak the rules for cash games.

thanks. Is borgata still matching ceasers diamond card?

You're way more likely for this sort of question to get an accurate up to date answer by just calling them fwiw

I like the poker manager and enjoy speaking with him. He makes me laugh. I would not say he is useless. He is very useful to himself.

Friday is the spring fever high hand promotion. Poker room probably gonna be busy

Not a frequent poster but just wanted to share this issue. I mostly play 2/5 5/10 but when my wife comes down I often sit with her at the 1/3 game for a little bit. She had not played in a year or so due to covid but was excited to start up again. She sat down to play and I joined her a few minutes later. To her right two seats down was a very obnoxious obviously drunk guy. He ended up losing a pretty decent sized pot to the guys on my wife’s immediate right because he read his hand wrong. Upon winning the hand the guy to my wife right asked her a question as he was new to the game. Immediately the drunk guy who had lost started accusing my wife of cheating and helping the guy next to her. My wife asked the dealer to call the floor so she could ask for a table change. The dealer ignored her so I asked floor to please move my wife to a new table as at that point he was getting louder and three other people were asking him to calm down.

The floor said sure I’ll move her. And then told the drunk man if he had an issue to please come speak to her. I went over assured my wife that she would be moved. For the next five minutes this man continued to be loud, belligerent and uncontrollable. Cursing as if he was trying to prove a point. Again I went to the floor and asked her to please move her as we were trying to resolve this issue quietly.

As I walked away. I see the floor sitting others to different table ignoring my and my wife’s request (dealer was silent). We decided to leave but I decided to talk with the floor for a third time. And explained how her obvious dismissal of my wife’s reasonable request was dismissed. I explained that a woman being yelled at by a man, drunk or not was not appropriate and we were not asking for anything unreasonable. Just a change of tables. The most she said was. “ sorry I was busy I couldn’t just move her. I had others I needed to sit”

I obviously know this post will not change much but as someone who enjoys having his wife play a game he loves it’s disheartening to see how far a casino will dismiss a request. At the end of the day me or her are not naive to know that women have a tougher time at the poker tables. But when a woman needs a little help it should be given.

Sorry for the long post. But needed to share

Unfortunately, someone abusing a player is not reason for the victim to jump to the top of the table change request list. Cursing was sufficient reason to remove the abuser from the poker room without a warning. That's what should have been done.