Possible that RoSeeker had a piece of the action and organized some minor dumping/spewing by his friends without consulting Gary, but that may not make sense given the HHs.

In after Th3_S1aught3r's daily spam in this thread saying "Gary wins the bet, ship him the money"

Regardless of the outcome, I don't think it would be wise to start down this path. Everyone has a trail on the Internet and no one can really hide as well as they think.

I think the fairest solution is to just return everyone's bets and let everyone learn from this. There is reasonable cause to believe Gary chip dumped but no way to prove it.

It really doesn't matter what Stars says. If they don't see chip dumping there's still plenty of evidence to suggest something fishy has potentially been going on. If they see something then it's obvious what happens. So judges should just make a decision imo as it's really irrelevant what Stars say considering all the information that's been posted here so far.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witch_trials

umm... yeah you missed a ton.

not sure if you read the entire thread but i could give you my min-cliffs from earlier on
Except for now we finally heard from him, only to hear that he will plead the 5th

Not sure how any of that (that I didn't already mention) is relevant. He wound up using a webcam regardless of whatever intitial reluctance. Your "paraphrasing" is cartoonish and I would call it your personal interpretation rather than "cliffs".

How could the rules of this bet been better formulated to prevent this sort of chaos? Props that last 1 day are cool but not when chip-dumping is a)easily done b)easily construed to have been done.

This may be crazy, but is it possible that this "reverse psychology" explains any of the mystery people who came in and zealously defended Gary which ended up making him just look more shady? As in, they were fake strawmen? It would be a huge level if true but I'm sure there's some who could pull it off if they really put their mind to it.

Okay, I think there's something shady going on in all of this -- but c'mon, this is going too far.

Confess or we'll torture you? What is this, the Spanish Inquisition?

(Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition! Poke him with the Soft Cushion!)

I think we all get that.

he probably just watched 24 or something

Impossible. Having a cam on his screen would have helped and made dumping more difficult for sure, but there are ways around that. Basically the bettors/judge will have to give the contender the benefit of the doubt unless they have good evidence. And it's always possible to have "borderline" evidence like in this case where it's not clear what the best ruling is.

How about this, take a vote among bettors on whether to just return everyone's bets, or to let Gary do a second attempt which will obviously be more closely scrutinized and require more precautions by him to quell suspicion?

Wait, is this true? I've been following this trainwreck pretty religiously and I thought this Oreos guy was that 00Doug character from weaktight? How did I miss this?

I don't know, hence question mark. He is 00Doug, but quite possibly not StoppedClock. I forget how the StoppedClock and OreosAndMilk/00Doug connections with RoSeeker were found exactly.

He's being criticized for responding saying that he will not respond by exercising his "right to remain silent" which is a right reserved for arrested subjects to not talk to the police until they have a lawyer and are in a court of law.

This is a ****ing Internet forum.

Jalex is the ****ing judge.

Now answer the ****ing questions. Address the ****ing concerns.

As far as I can tell, the mob was advocating and still is to give him "his money," regardless of the fact that cheating has been confirmed.

If he is innocent he should cooperate and provide as much transparency as possible so that we find out the facts of the situation. If he wasn't prepared to cooperate and be transparent on the matter should a dispute arise, he should have not have proposed this bet.

I wonder how many people would have taken his bet if one of his stipulations was: Should a dispute arise regarding the integrity of the propbet being botched, I will exercise my right to remain silent.

I read the cliff's notes and did not see where cheating has been confirmed, could you elaborate?

No cheating confirmed yet, just shady dumping from people related to OP.

If bettors get their money back OP's part should go to jalex and whoever caught those scumbags.

I think the money is going to end up going back to everyone in the end b/c its just too hard to award either side due to the shadiness of all stuff that has happened.

I don't think there is enough evidence at the moment (although Stars might find something) to overturn Gary winning the bet but def it looks shady so there is probably like 1% chance OP wins this out right, 75% that the money is shipped back and 25% that bettors win. Atleast thats how I see it...

What do you mean that account was created the Thursday night before the prop?

1+75+25= A good chance it should completely be sent to me instead

If the 10/7 dump to QQ is accepted as a dump, considering the hh and established shady relationships, then there is no way this was a one way dump without Gary's knowledge. Because it could not have been a dump without the the 10/7 knowing Gary had QQ. If Gary only had 88, he probably folds. Gary must be in on it if the 10/7 hand was a dump.

According to PTR, he only played Mar 18-19.