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03-23-2010
, 02:32 AM
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03-23-2010
, 02:50 AM
03-23-2010
, 02:51 AM
Post # Lucky 7.
Okay, here's my summary....sorry for lots of posts, but I can't imagine trying to put all that crap in one post.
First off:
Personally, I think it's IMPOSSIBLE that all of the above 'coincidentally' lined up to just look suspicious. I think there's very little doubt there was foul play going on. If it had just been breeezzz involved, I would have argued for a push - with the additional two players, IN MY OPINION there was something nefarious going on.
Just remember, it is going to be IMPOSSIBLE to prove this short of them admitting it, or Stars showing up with more proof (which I've asked them to look for).
Occam's Razor imo.
This is all my opinion, I'm not hiding anything that supports either side and I've done the best I could to find evidence. I don't hold any of the money, but if I did, I'd return the money of the folks that bet against Gary and hold Gary's money pending hopefully some involvement from PokerStars.
PS: Sorry for the drama, I spent alot of time on this, so that added some fun to make up for the boring parts.
Okay, here's my summary....sorry for lots of posts, but I can't imagine trying to put all that crap in one post.
First off:
- Let me reiterate that I have no vested interest in this, other than I hate cheaters.
- I will NOT accept any money for doing this, so don't even ask. If someone wants to ship something, go donate something to charity in my name. :P
- This was about a day's work for me after it unfolded, BUT there are a TON of things that I didn't look at that could turn up more information. Ultimately, I think we're at the point of diminishing returns.
- A player with the following results at $1/2 NL - 737k hands, -$18,316, -.62 bb/100.
- Out of the blue? he decides to put up $2500 of his money to do a challenge that he can win money during a massive 30k hand multitabling session in under 24hrs.
- During that session, we have THREE players who have ZERO history at $200nl show up, and they lose a combined $1411 to the player.
- TWO of these three players are PROVEN to have a connection to one of the players friends before poker.
- Gary three bets with total bajunky against two of these players.
- Said friend is active in this thread advocating his friend's case. One of friend's stakee's is also active in this thread, and has a connection to one of the suspicious players, neither of them volutarily are up front about their connections to this player - Nostalgica did admit to a vague relationship over PM to Blackize when asked.
- Individually none of the hands are damning, but together? The fold of QQ to the minraise against a 78% fish? Really?
- There's other nit picky ancillary crap, like the fact that Gary initially didn't want to setup a web cam, the tone of certain posts, etc.
Personally, I think it's IMPOSSIBLE that all of the above 'coincidentally' lined up to just look suspicious. I think there's very little doubt there was foul play going on. If it had just been breeezzz involved, I would have argued for a push - with the additional two players, IN MY OPINION there was something nefarious going on.
Just remember, it is going to be IMPOSSIBLE to prove this short of them admitting it, or Stars showing up with more proof (which I've asked them to look for).
Occam's Razor imo.
This is all my opinion, I'm not hiding anything that supports either side and I've done the best I could to find evidence. I don't hold any of the money, but if I did, I'd return the money of the folks that bet against Gary and hold Gary's money pending hopefully some involvement from PokerStars.
PS: Sorry for the drama, I spent alot of time on this, so that added some fun to make up for the boring parts.
03-23-2010
, 02:54 AM
03-23-2010
, 02:54 AM
03-23-2010
, 02:55 AM
03-23-2010
, 02:57 AM
Last edited by jalexand42; 03-23-2010 at 02:58 AM.
Reason: Edit: I lied, one more thought: don't do freaking prop bets like this on internet forums you donkeys.
03-23-2010
, 02:58 AM
