so do we just vote him now or should we wait for the seer?

roseeker blew it...

Sorry, you don't have the right to remain silent on this matter.

You owe everyone answers and by refusing to provide them you are only hurting your case.

At the very least, the money should be returned to the bettors, while keeping gary's in escrow, as cheating has been proven.

Is anyone in contact with Stars to provide them with all the evidence of chip dumping this thread has uncovered?

Yea well, that's just, like, your opinion man.

Internet terrorism. bahahaha.

It's time for a more modern Godwin's Law.

Regardless of what actually happened, what additional evidence could Gary possibly provide at this point to support his innocence?

He could come up with more posts pointing out how biased the judges are, I guess.

I just remember this guy turning up in chat when OP was down a few hundred with a couple of thousand hands left to go.

He was a real life friend of OP with apparently no interest in poker, and he was generally talking **** and it seemed he was distracting Gary at a critical point in the prop bet.

Tbh I don't think there's anything here that's relevant to the chip dumping allegations. I just remember thinking this guy was a total fool and Gary really didn't need him there at the time.

hahahahahahhaha so classic

the thing is Gary, this isn't a US court of law so there is no, "innocent until proven guilty." you gave the power to the judges to make any rulings pertaining to this bet and if they feel there was cheating involved then they will rule against you. so yea, you might want to answer some of the questions that have been asked of you ITT. at least the pertinant and reasonable questions. it's not really looking that good for you now.

Good stuff sir. Why would he say 'I was watching him play' instead of 'I saw this hand on PTR' ?? Doesn't add up, unless he's just coincidentally lying about something that's meaningless to lie about. Everyone should go check out how many times RoSeeker posts after the T7o hand and how much logic he presents AGAINST it being a dump.

You still haven't answered my question, did anyone else have any of your action? I haven't done ANY internet terrorism to you, you punk. YOU ARE THE ONE posted the link to your facebook IN THIS THREAD.

Holy ****, people defend themselves? Why aren't you just waiting for Stars to clear your name dude?

Yeah it's funny if he posted more people would post about how he should have just not posted (what everyone said right after stoxtrader posted a "response") yet when he doesn't they say he should post. If I were him I wouldn't post here either, but I would definitely be in contact with jalex refuting any claims that were false in this thread. I mean in the end though just assume for a second he's innocent. How can he prove it? Posting in this thread isn't going to change anything. He already said he thought it was just a coincidence, what more can he say? Do you want him to speculate why these two people who aren't particularly close to him did what they did? He obviously doesn't know that for sure.

Now that said if I was Gary and innocent I'd be pming them 24/7 asking for explanations trying to find any info I don't already have that could possibly make me seem less guilty.

But yeah whether he's innocent or guilty the staying silent part is probably one of his smartest decisions so far. I said it several pages back but if I were him I would answer direct questions that were straightforward factual questions that I had concrete answers to. Everything else I would just stfu about and not post in the thread.

edit: but yeah I'd answer jalex's question about whether they had any of my action.

He's made zero effort to find corroborating evidence of his play or the 'abnormalities' that initially sparked the investigation. Like people felt it was abnormal for him to be 3-betting complete unknowns oop with offsuit junk and then double barreling on A high boards. I tend to agree. He has 1.2million hands on PTR alone. If this is a standard part of his game, he could show it by giving a hundred or so examples which should be trivial to find/paste using HEM.

Or find other instances where microgrinders with no history of shot taking move up to 20x their stakes, and do stuff like 5-bet shove T7o with zero history in sessions where they play generally otherwise weak/passive and leave with money still on the tables. That'd take a few hours in HEM and PTR but it's at least something. Again having some complete random come in and spew away money is not uncommon, but having some 2+2 nanostakes grinder who has played tens of thousands of hands with no real history of shot taking/tilt spewing come randomly do it is a little strange. Finding a dozen or so instances of this could at least show it's not really that uncommon an occurrence.

Gary's done zero as far as actively working to try to prove he's innocent, which imo is also kind of a tell imo. I mean the first part of just finding tons of examples of him 3-betting unknown/fishy players and double barreling Axx boards would take 1-2 minutes in HEM tops. The only reason I'd imagine he never bothered to do this is because it's not actually how he plays.

My sarcasm detector is malfunctioning. Do you really think it's absurd or do you agree that its a reasonable possibility given all the multiaccounting and shenanigans unearthed so far?

BBV - putting the terror in internet terrorism.

saw the first and last post in this thread and it seems interesting.


cliffs anyone?

ROFLOL

This. The only evidence that has been brought to light is that Gary has some d-bag friends who have ethical issues. We've seen some great investigative work that has shown how people leave a wide trail on the Internet but besides that, nothing but back-and-forth b.s. by friends and friends of friends of principals and people who are accused of trolling for offering an opinion.

All-in-all just another day in 2+2 land.

Good call....Godwin's (Terrorism modification) Law in full effect ITT!

Zach's doin pretty well in this thread, too, imo. If I ever try to scam BBV for hundreds and hundreds of dollars, I'll make sure that Zach isn't a judge.

RoSeeker and his 6 other accounts would have been perfect, until he went and killed the golden goose.

i posted some cliffs in the MSNL FTP thread if you search through my posts, it shouldn't be more than like 10 posts back.

I'm going to do a prop bet soon. I'm going to make a billion dollars at 2nl in one month. Gary, roseeker, and breeze will be the judges. 1:1 odds. Who's in?

I don't think youre going to get any action at that price tbh