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Old 10-31-2013, 01:32 PM   #751
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Re: moneymaker vs jason young (resolved - see post 497 & 503...and then not - see post 656)

id like to propose that in order to post on 2+2 you need to pass both a breathalizer test and an IQ test. the stupidity around here really is beginning to discredit the entire purpose for having a forum like this used to discuss real issues in a legitimate fashion
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Old 10-31-2013, 01:33 PM   #752
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jy u are a top desperate pog posting those texts. Chris will never pay u now lol
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Old 10-31-2013, 01:36 PM   #753
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yes....i stated in a post early in this thread that i am in fact a good friend of jys and i also know MM.....and while you may think that my being a close friend of JYs may hurt my credibility it really should be the opposite...i have firsthand knowledge of this entire situation from the beginning and i know what is and isnt true.....like i said early on....im positive JY was never freerolling here and my reputation is pretty solid in the poker community... i wouldnt blindly support JY just because he was my friend.....but yes he is a good friend.....a good friend who i will say with certainty was never ever scamming anyone
just wanted to say that i trust jared a lot. so when he says JY wasn't freerolling. i'm going to take his word for it.
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Old 10-31-2013, 01:36 PM   #754
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jy u are a top desperate pog posting those texts. Chris will never pay u now lol
so after MM agrees to pay him and then backtracks and says he has changed his mind and absolutely never pay him JY should now cover for MM when he has evidence of his insolvency and desperation? what is wrong with you people?
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Old 10-31-2013, 01:41 PM   #755
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The above proves that I was solvent at the time Chris lost the money and he would have been paid if he won.....he won 5k. I tried to pay it and he told me not to.... Hence I couldn't have been freerolling. And he in fact was unquestionably the freeroller....
You're being intellectually dishonest, because nothing in his post states you reached out to pay him. Just that he told you to roll it over. How that transpired (who contacted who)is anyone's guess and only you two would know.
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Old 10-31-2013, 01:41 PM   #756
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are you high???? he put his money into the restaurant before he had the debts....and if JY is a scumbag what is your analysis of chris??

anyone solely bashing JY has 0 credibility because there is no way anyone with half a brain or who isnt totally a fanboy of MM would take the time to bash JY without doing the same to MM
Wow. So you are saying he put all his net worth into a restaurant, and THEN he made bets with people with money he didn't have? That is even worse.
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Old 10-31-2013, 01:43 PM   #757
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Re: moneymaker vs jason young (resolved - see post 497 & 503...and then not - see post 656)

Wish I saved my messages on Skype where Jason's boss is hounding him for the money and in other message window the guy Jason owes is telling me his boss skipped town. Even if I did save them I wouldn't post them on public forum. As for the facts, they remain the same and assanti debt corroborated with me anyway what I already knew.

I bet Jason's text messages to all the people he owes look exactly like mine, with obvious exception he outs my name to everyone. I went back and forth on to pay him for a long time because I liked him and knew he started a business that put him in bad shape.
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Old 10-31-2013, 01:43 PM   #758
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Re: moneymaker vs jason young (resolved - see post 497 & 503...and then not - see post 656)

This thread has turned me into one of those people who drives slowly by an accident trying to catch a glimpse but then am disgusted at the site. I don't know why I keep coming back....
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Old 10-31-2013, 01:44 PM   #759
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Wow. So you are saying he put all his net worth into a restaurant, and THEN he made bets with people with money he didn't have? That is even worse.
HE WASNT THE BOOK....HOW MANY TIMES DOES THAT NEED TO BE REPEATED?
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Old 10-31-2013, 01:45 PM   #760
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Re: moneymaker vs jason young (resolved - see post 497 & 503...and then not - see post 656)

So if a 2+2er stiffs another poster on a payment for cocaine, is it ok to start a thread and post texts about it?
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Old 10-31-2013, 01:46 PM   #761
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HE WASNT THE BOOK....HOW MANY TIMES DOES THAT NEED TO BE REPEATED?
Except he was the book.
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Old 10-31-2013, 01:49 PM   #762
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tldr, is MM busto? that would be a sad result.
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Old 10-31-2013, 01:51 PM   #763
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Except he was the book.
i wont respond to you again after this because you clearly just want to argue and you are some random know nothing........but i know for a fact he wasnt the book....and you dont know anything because you dont know any of the parties involved and you have 0 knowledge of anything other than what you see in this thread ... i know its exciting for you to be involved in a debate involving some people you may have seen on tv but trying to ruin someones reputation and livelihood by posting slanderous comments without factual knowledge is wrong and irresponsible....
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Old 10-31-2013, 01:52 PM   #764
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Except he was the book.
Lol, I knew instantly that was coming.
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Old 10-31-2013, 01:56 PM   #765
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but trying to ruin someones reputation and livelihood by posting slanderous comments without factual knowledge is wrong and irresponsible....
Good luck with that court case.
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Old 10-31-2013, 01:58 PM   #766
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i wont respond to you again after this because you clearly just want to argue and you are some random know nothing........but i know for a fact he wasnt the book....and you dont know anything because you dont know any of the parties involved and you have 0 knowledge of anything other than what you see in this thread ... i know its exciting for you to be involved in a debate involving some people you may have seen on tv but trying to ruin someones reputation and livelihood by posting slanderous comments without factual knowledge is wrong and irresponsible....

Guess how much money I owe to people that I don't have based on wagers and business transactions? That is zero. Sorry I am unbiased. You aren't.

It isn't my fault Jason vouched for people when he had zero money. Funny. I would expect someone who vouches for money, to actually have some money.

1. If Jason isn't the book and isn't on the hook for any squelchers on both sides, then he isn't owed money by MM or owe money to Sheets/Assani.

2. If Jason isn't the book, and IS on the hook for any squelchers on both sides, then he should have had funds to cover debts that might ensue. I am sure he made money through these transactions based on the fact that betters thought if the bookie skipped, he would make due on the money he vouched for. He lied, and now is getting humiliated because his true colors are being revealed.
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Old 10-31-2013, 01:58 PM   #767
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Wish I saved my messages on Skype where Jason's boss is hounding him for the money and in other message window the guy Jason owes is telling me his boss skipped town. Even if I did save them I wouldn't post them on public forum. As for the facts, they remain the same and assanti debt corroborated with me anyway what I already knew.

I bet Jason's text messages to all the people he owes look exactly like mine, with obvious exception he outs my name to everyone. I went back and forth on to pay him for a long time because I liked him and knew he started a business that put him in bad shape.
yes or no?

were you trying to get $ from people under the guise of "staking" in order to pay back this debt?
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Old 10-31-2013, 02:01 PM   #768
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assani i feel will be making a post at some point today clarifying our situation to make it a bit more transparent. that was the first time we had ever bet with each other and it was mutually terrible communication on both of our parts- but no bad intent at all.
Maybe I wasn't clear during our phone conversation....

What I am agreeing with you on is that, from my perspective, it is definitely possible that there was "no bad intent at all." So when I said I'd come back in the thread and make sure everyone realized it, that was what I was talking about. So I will do that now:

Everyone here on 2p2....For all I can tell, Jason is being 100% honest in saying that 1. His bet with me had nothing to do with his bookie, 2. He honestly forgot about our bet after he made it, 3. He never logged onto 2p2 again after the crash, and 4. Had he remember our bet back in April 2012 then he would've been able to pay up immediately. I do not have any reasons to doubt this in any way, and I am choosing to believe Jason.


However, with that said...I am in no way agreeing with "and it was mutually terrible communication on both of our parts". If our phone conversation caused you to think that this, then I must've misspoke. We made a bet on 2p2, and 2p2 was the only way we had of contacting each other. Therefore, if you lost the bet, forgot about it, and never signed on 2p2.....then the "terrible communication" is entirely on your part, and I am in no way sharing mutual blame for that. Moreover, your response time to tweets/emails has been COMPLETELY UNSATISFACTORY.


I was actually expecting our conversation to start off with you saying something like "Hey man, first things first....I realize its super sh*tty that you haven't gotten your money in 18 months. I truly am sorry for this, dude." And then we could've dug into the details and worked things out. But you've never once apologized, and that you still seem to think this is a MUTUAL misunderstanding is baffling to me. What exactly do you think I did wrong here?




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as for me playing- if someone is willing to put me into a tourney of course im going to play.
I don't think anyone would expect you to turn down an offer for staking. I do think its fair for people to criticize your self-awareness when you go play this tourney while not sending out an update email/text/phone call/tweet/PM to all those you owe money to saying "You may see me on a PokerNews interview, talking about playing a $5k. Just want to let you know that I'm staked for this- I'm obviously not playing with money that could be going to you. Moreover, please know that I'm doing everything I can to get your money, and I'll keep sending constant updates to you."







To update the thread: Jason has agreed to send me a payment by this weekend and come up with a payment plan that is reasonable. He said he only has Wells Fargo/Chase, which I don't have, so it looks like I'm gonna have to get a friend to take the transfer for me(have already talked to aejones, looks like he will do it). I haven't discussed the specifics of Jason's payment plan yet, but basically I'm gonna just ask him to come up with it himself- I realize that me setting harsh deadlines is just gonna make him unable to pay, so I'd rather him tell me whats reasonable and then stick to that.

It seems like I"m much more likely to get my money by keeping it public(having waited for 18 months and gotten nothing but now getting a payment after posting here seems to confirm this), so I'll probably keep everything as public as possible. At the very least, I will make sure to stop back in here and confirm when Jason has paid me off in full. Hopefully we can just put this all behind us, I can get my money, and his reputation can be cleared.





edited to add- This below is the type of talk I would expect to see from someone who has owed money and not paid up:

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I was kinda expecting Jason's attitude to be similar to this during our phone call, but it wasn't at all. That threw me off a little at first.

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Old 10-31-2013, 02:03 PM   #769
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Re: moneymaker vs jason young (resolved - see post 497 & 503...and then not - see post 656)

I knew Moneymaker was pulling one of his Farha bluffs because his left pinkie twitched when he typed the deal post. Tells by Caro.
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Old 10-31-2013, 02:10 PM   #770
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Maybe I wasn't clear during our phone conversation....

What I am agreeing with you on is that, from my perspective, it is definitely possible that there was "no bad intent at all." So when I said I'd come back in the thread and make sure everyone realized it, that was what I was talking about. So I will do that now:

Everyone here on 2p2....For all I can tell, Jason is being 100% honest in saying that 1. His bet with me had nothing to do with his bookie, 2. He honestly forgot about our bet after he made it, 3. He never logged onto 2p2 again after the crash, and 4. Had he remember our bet back in April 2012 then he would've been able to pay up immediately. I do not have any reasons to doubt this in any way, and I am choosing to believe Jason.


However, with that said...I am in no way agreeing with "and it was mutually terrible communication on both of our parts". If our phone conversation caused you to think that this, then I must've misspoke. We made a bet on 2p2, and 2p2 was the only way we had of contacting each other. Therefore, if you lost the bet, forgot about it, and never signed on 2p2.....then the "terrible communication" is entirely on your part, and I am in no way sharing mutual blame for that. Moreover, your response time to tweets/emails has been COMPLETELY UNSATISFACTORY.


I was actually expecting our conversation to start off with you saying something like "Hey man, first things first....I realize its super sh*tty that you haven't gotten your money in 18 months. I truly am sorry for this, dude." And then we could've dug into the details and worked things out. But you've never once apologized, and that you still seem to think this is a MUTUAL misunderstanding is baffling to me. What exactly do you think I did wrong here?



To update the thread: Jason has agreed to send me a payment this weekend and come up with a payment plan that is reasonable. He said he only has Wells Fargo/Chase, which I don't have, so it looks like I'm gonna have to get a friend to take the transfer for me(have already talked to aejones, looks like he will do it). I haven't discussed the specifics of Jason's payment plan yet, but basically I'm gonna just ask him to come up with it himself- I realize that me setting harsh deadlines is just gonna make him unable to pay, so I'd rather him tell me whats reasonable and then stick to that.
Assani I do not believe I have ever met you(maybe played with you in a tournament or something) but you have to be 1 of the most understanding individuals I have ever seen. You are owed this money for 18 months+ and are now willing to allow a payment plan which could take months and months. Add to that Jason playing 5k tournaments recently as well.

You are my freakin hero bro!!!
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yes or no?

were you trying to get $ from people under the guise of "staking" in order to pay back this debt?
not that its anyones right to know my financials but to be clear.

I was owed 6 figures by 3 well known pros who promised to pay me for months. Didn't get it for a long time.

I have separate gambling account that is "my money" and it went busto from sports, loans and being scammed.

At one point after talking to Jason on phone I thought about paying him and approached a friend about a staking deal but I was honest with him in saying the money would be used to pay off a debt.
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Assani I do not believe I have ever met you(maybe played with you in a tournament or something) but you have to be 1 of the most understanding individuals I have ever seen. You are owed this money for 18 months+ and are now willing to allow a payment plan which could take months and months. Add to that Jason playing 5k tournaments recently as well.

You are my freakin hero bro!!!
jason was freerolled in the 5k tournament.....pretty sure id be more than thrilled for any of the people who owe me $$ to get freerolled in tournaments ..... a free chance to make money to help pay off debts? sounds like a good thing but maybe im slow
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Really confused by the people hating on Jason for "playing 5k tournaments"

I guess we don't/can't know for sure but it seems to be like 99% likely that he's been backed for any tournaments he's played recently so it's not like he has the option to just use that buyin money to pay off his debts.

And given that the people he owe's all say he's remained in contact and acknowledges the debts it seems like it's very much in their interest for him to get backed into a tournament that could result in a score big enough for him to pay all his debts.

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Wish I saved my messages on Skype where Jason's boss is hounding him for the money and in other message window the guy Jason owes is telling me his boss skipped town. Even if I did save them I wouldn't post them on public forum. As for the facts, they remain the same and assanti debt corroborated with me anyway what I already knew.

I bet Jason's text messages to all the people he owes look exactly like mine, with obvious exception he outs my name to everyone. I went back and forth on to pay him for a long time because I liked him and knew he started a business that put him in bad shape.

That's a risk when you start a thread like this.



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not that its anyones right to know my financials but to be clear.

I was owed 6 figures by 3 well known pros who promised to pay me for months. Didn't get it for a long time.

I have separate gambling account that is "my money" and it went busto from sports, loans and being scammed.

At one point after talking to Jason on phone I thought about paying him and approached a friend about a staking deal but I was honest with him in saying the money would be used to pay off a debt.

Actually, when you start a thread like this looking for help and accuse the other party of being insolvent (and therefore freerolling) it should be incumbent upon you to provide some information about your own situation --especially when it might help clear up the situation.

Also, that's quite an interesting staking deal you were looking for. Hard to believe you were turned down.
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not that its anyones right to know my financials but to be clear.

I was owed 6 figures by 3 well known pros who promised to pay me for months. Didn't get it for a long time.

I have separate gambling account that is "my money" and it went busto from sports, loans and being scammed.

At one point after talking to Jason on phone I thought about paying him and approached a friend about a staking deal but I was honest with him in saying the money would be used to pay off a debt.
LOL. where can I get staked on paying my debts? FWIW I've been pro MM this whole thread, but this made me laugh
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