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Old 01-28-2010, 04:02 PM   #12626
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Anyway, off to the grind. Search me if you like (though I have all chat off).
Oh yes chosen one we will all flock to watch you play tight and hope for AA in a 5 dollar donkament. Give me a break
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Old 01-28-2010, 04:19 PM   #12627
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Oh yes chosen one we will all flock to watch you play tight and hope for AA in a 5 dollar donkament. Give me a break
See, these are the style of comments of the real engines of the online poker economy

Hey, search me Sunday and see all the $5 games I will be playing then...


Transparency.

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Old 01-28-2010, 04:21 PM   #12628
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Also, don't forget that I have stated on many occasions that by no means all, or even most, of the 'riggies' are '******ed'.

That only applies to those who continually ignore logical argument (note; ignore, not simply disagree with) and resort to irrelevancies such as accusing others of being shills or not playing poker.

I suppose there may be a problem where the term 'tard' is used and people for whom it is not intended self include.
Sure, you can say to yourself that it's justified to be really rude to the really obstinate ones as you've described. However, you can do that if you get some sort of enjoyment out of it, but the reality is that you will do little more than entrench that posters' beliefs and worse, tarnish the thoughts of others who read these posts. There is absolutely no gain to these types of posts, and I suspect you don't feel too great aftwards either.

Decide what you want to accomplish: pull the tails of rigtards or actually change minds. Your real audience in these posts aren't the actual people you are responding to, but everyone else reading. The obstinate ones will remain so always, but why not increase your changes of actually getting through to the people like Donko, who finally listened when the insults were dropped for a couple of posts.
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Old 01-28-2010, 05:06 PM   #12629
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Been there done that and it was a 5 dollar stake and you folded for hours still you busted out. yawn
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Old 01-28-2010, 05:07 PM   #12630
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Been there done that and it was a 5 dollar stake and you folded for hours still you busted out. yawn
Wait, you actually DID rail him for a tourney? LOL
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Old 01-28-2010, 05:12 PM   #12631
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Wait, you actually DID rail him for a tourney? LOL
Yea once to see if all his BS was true. It wasn't
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Old 01-28-2010, 05:14 PM   #12632
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Been there done that and it was a 5 dollar stake and you folded for hours still you busted out. yawn
So you admit watching his tourneys right after ridiculing the very idea of doing such. Now THAT's funny!
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Old 01-28-2010, 05:15 PM   #12633
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YOU CAN FIND THIS ON CAKES WEBSITE

It is important to note that computers are deterministic machines, and as such, they cannot produce truly random numbers. For this reason one often refers to Pseudo Random Number Generators (PRNG). Pseudo implies that a PRNG does not produce truly random numbers, but numbers that are random enough for a specific practical use.
This is 100% correct. FWIW, it is online at http://cakepoker.com/en/PlayPoker/Re...grity/RNG.aspx

Thus, if you don't want to have such a system deal your cards, play at a site that does not use such a system to deal your cards.
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Old 01-28-2010, 05:15 PM   #12634
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Yea once to see if all his BS was true. It wasn't
So you learned from one tournament that his "BS" wasn't true. What particular BS was untrue?
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Old 01-28-2010, 05:17 PM   #12635
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In defense to Q, And some "outside the box thinking"
I remember you having some disclosure yourself when I called you(mont) and Qpw out about whether you actually played or not. Now that your in a tiff with QPW it becomes relevent to you that he discloses his actual status as on online poker player. I really don't understand why it was ok then, but now it's not, b/c of a "personal issue"?

I also remember numerous times QPW posted in your defense...
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Old 01-28-2010, 05:32 PM   #12636
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So you admit watching his tourneys right after ridiculing the very idea of doing such. Now THAT's funny!
And I assume it must have been a $5 rebuy where I am very open about how I play the rebuy period. Fold, maybe limp and a lot of open 3000+ chip shoving. In terms of prizes it is more akin to a $25-30 freezeout of course. I can't remember when the last time I played a $5 NL freezeout is, maybe 1 or 2 a month. Omaha hi lo I am dabbling in the lower ones to get a better feel for those MTTs.

He can watch me in the 109 and 215 stuff this Sunday though and pretend those are $5 freezeouts as well. He's just a standard losing player, nothing more, better for him if he watches rather than actually plays, so in a strange way I made him money...
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Old 01-28-2010, 07:45 PM   #12637
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He can watch me in the 109 and 215 stuff this Sunday
First time? Your avg buy in is still low pal. Keep grinding those 5 dollar rebuys by playing top 5 hands
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Old 01-28-2010, 07:57 PM   #12638
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First time? Your avg buy in is still low pal. Keep grinding those 5 dollar rebuys by playing top 5 hands
No, not the first time. That's the thing with transparency - you can claim I am a $5 tournament only player, but the data is out there which shows every single tournament I have ever played in, including a whole bunch of 33s $55 MTTs, 215s etc. The also include a whole bunch of fun tournaments ($3 HORSE $1 stud, .01 hyper turbos) which I suspect impact the average buy in.

That's why guys like you fail at the game, you rush to judgements without analyzing or even understanding the data. You create answers that you want to believe in without actually looking at the data properly.

Now keep in mind I am not claiming those 55s and 215s are the nose bleeds, far from it, as 10,000+ people play the Sunday Million each week. However, the transparency of my data along with the fact that you will never reveal your player ID (heh, wonder why) pretty much invalidate all of your attacks.

You just sound like a standard losing player. Prove me wrong with your user name. You will not. Hence, I win.

Keep watching. Stick to not playing.

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Old 01-28-2010, 08:06 PM   #12639
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No, not the first time. That's the thing with transparency - you can claim I am a $5 tournament only player, but the data is out there which shows every single tournament I have ever played in, including a whole bunch of 33s $55 MTTs, 215s etc. The also include a whole bunch of fun tournaments ($3 HORSE $1 stud, .01 hyper turbos) which I suspect impact the average buy in.
BS your average buy in tells us you are a 11 dollar player and your sitting here trying to exploit the notion your a 100 dollar player. Please. Face it the majority of tourneys you play in are 5 and 10 dollars. Numbers don't lie, if you were such a great player you wouldn't even consider playing "fun" tourneys for a dollar

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Now keep in mind I am not claiming those 55s and 215s are the nose bleeds, far from it, as 10,000+ people play the Sunday Million each week. However, the transparency of my data along with the fact that you will never reveal your player ID (heh, wonder why) pretty much invalidate all of your attacks.
Why should I? So I can get people in chat send me crap like they do PM? This site is full of immature wannabes like yourself, I dont need them following me around
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Old 01-28-2010, 08:17 PM   #12640
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BS your average buy in tells us you are a 11 dollar player and your sitting here trying to exploit the notion your a 100 dollar player. Please. Face it the majority of tourneys you play in are 5 and 10 dollars. Numbers don't lie, if you were such a great player you wouldn't even consider playing "fun" tourneys for a dollar
I played a $1 Badugi sit and go just so I could yell BADUGI when I got one. I play in the Pokercast freeroll for fun (even final tabled a HORSE one somehow).

I never said I was an average $100 player, but if you check me this Sunday and every Sunday after see for yourself what I play, then make fun of me if appropriate. Again - transparent.



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Why should I? So I can get people in chat send me crap like they do PM? This site is full of immature wannabes like yourself, I dont need them following me around
You don't have to, but why should anyone believe that you are a winning player or that you play even micro stakes? You make a lot of stuff up. You are not transparent. That's why making fun of someone who is transparent does not work - you have no basis to make comments.

Show me you are a winning average buy in $100 player and I will help you make fun of me. You will not because you cannot. Hell, show me you are a winning player at any level...


Anyway, let's get back to this thread. Why don't you post something about how you hate Native Americans like you have done many times in the past (posting history is transparent...) and we take it from there.

Back to the grind.

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Old 01-28-2010, 08:33 PM   #12641
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Anyway, let's get back to this thread. Why don't you post something about how you hate Native Americans like you have done many times in the past (posting history is transparent...) and we take it from there.
Care to direct us to any post where I said I hate Native Americans? You love to just blurt out BS. Don't you? I believe the rule is you have to back up your statements with a source. I sit here waiting my small stakes wannabe buddy.
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Old 01-28-2010, 08:55 PM   #12642
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Care to direct us to any post where I said I hate Native Americans? You love to just blurt out BS. Don't you? I believe the rule is you have to back up your statements with a source. I sit here waiting my small stakes wannabe buddy.
Sure, just dig through this thread that somehow escaped the merge stick

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/25...rigged-447349/

and you will find all sorts of good stuff. A quick click got me this at first glance, but there is a lot more

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How can they be? Until Online poker stops hiding and being secretive and using the Indians to avoid regulation we have no way of seeing what goes on. This is why they don't want to move and want the US to back off. It's lunacy.
Playing for now. Have fun watching.

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Old 01-28-2010, 09:09 PM   #12643
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A quick click got me this at first glance, but there is a lot more


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Ok you supplied a quote of saying online poker uses Indian land to circumvent regulation and laws. Nowhere did I say I hate native americans. Swinnnngg and a miss. Strike one.

I will ask again after you made a serious charge against me. Please provide a source where I say I hate native americans. Surely you have a lot of time to do this since you are sitting in front of that monitor playing a 3 dollar sng waiting for aces. I'm waiting.

Take your time tho, I wouldn't want you to dig that hole any deeper.
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Old 01-28-2010, 09:57 PM   #12644
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Ok you supplied a quote of saying online poker uses Indian land to circumvent regulation and laws. Nowhere did I say I hate native americans. Swinnnngg and a miss. Strike one.

I will ask again after you made a serious charge against me. Please provide a source where I say I hate native americans. Surely you have a lot of time to do this since you are sitting in front of that monitor playing a 3 dollar sng waiting for aces. I'm waiting.

Take your time tho, I wouldn't want you to dig that hole any deeper.
There are many people in this world who can credibly get indignant about requiring evidence before making "serious charges" and you are not one of them.
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Old 01-29-2010, 09:01 AM   #12645
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Ok you supplied a quote of saying online poker uses Indian land to circumvent regulation and laws. Nowhere did I say I hate native americans. Swinnnngg and a miss. Strike one.

I will ask again after you made a serious charge against me. Please provide a source where I say I hate native americans. Surely you have a lot of time to do this since you are sitting in front of that monitor playing a 3 dollar sng waiting for aces. I'm waiting.

Take your time tho, I wouldn't want you to dig that hole any deeper.

The most sites are far away from license or regulated, Star itself said that the RNG is not audited since 2002. A serious company is audited min any 2 years.

Noone should be scared about rigged or not rigged, only about winning or not winning. A 5BB / 100 winner is not scared about a rigged deck, but sure he make 7-8 with a fair deck. The same is with cheating, manipulating, bots ....

If you dont win, and dont have fun to play stop.

For myself poker died 2007 the sites cut the benefits, but at these times cheating , rigging, manipulating was not important....added poker is crime here in germany.
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Old 01-29-2010, 10:34 AM   #12646
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added poker is crime here in germany.
OK, ok. Why is the Finanzamt working on a statement how to tax online poker, if it is a crime?
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Old 01-29-2010, 03:15 PM   #12647
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Playing Poker is not a crime. However, spying on the PDS is...
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And to add, I find it irrelevant to associate Mont. poker abilities or credility based on what Stakes he plays.

It's kinda like making fun of the guy in the weight room, that's only bench pressing 2 45lb weights on the bar, b/c he wants to get stronger yet maintain his flexibility....
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And to add, I find it irrelevant to associate Mont. poker abilities or credility based on what Stakes he plays.

It's kinda like making fun of the guy in the weight room, that's only bench pressing 2 45lb weights on the bar, b/c he wants to get stronger yet maintain his flexibility....
I think this presents the perfect opportunity to move this thread to Health and Fitness.
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Old 01-29-2010, 04:29 PM   #12650
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Playing Poker is not a crime. However, spying on the PDS is...
No site implements PDS, so spying is not possible.
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