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Old 02-03-2010, 01:06 PM   #12876
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I've "seriously" explained it numerous times...
Then post a link to where you've made that explanation.

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And many of YOU reading this thread that are too chicken **** to post, know what I'm talking about! Create a name and post, takes 1 minute to sign up...
Yeah, go on.

tk1133 and rounding4rent do it all the time.
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Old 02-03-2010, 01:11 PM   #12877
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How do bots factor into this debate?
http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...42&an=0&page=0

I found this interesting.

I have also read claims that FullTilt have bots that play on their own site. If these bots knew what cards were coming, they could easily manipulate the game.
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Old 02-03-2010, 01:14 PM   #12878
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How do bots factor into this debate?
http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...42&an=0&page=0

I found this interesting.

I have also read claims that FullTilt have bots that play on their own site. If these bots knew what cards were coming, they could easily manipulate the game.
Why not read the thread and find out?

If anyone was rigging the deal it wouldn't make much difference whether they were giving an advantage to robots or humans.

If they are not rigging the deal then robots are - for the purposes of this thread - an irrelevance.
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Old 02-03-2010, 01:17 PM   #12879
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http://pokerati.com/2009/10/04/re-ye..****ase-summary/
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Old 02-03-2010, 01:20 PM   #12880
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Then post a link to where you've made that explanation.



Yeah, go on.

tk1133 and rounding4rent do it all the time.
Q is back, since it's you I'll dig up the links!
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Old 02-03-2010, 01:21 PM   #12881
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I think riggies should give live poker a try. That way all they have to worry about is colluding, marked cards, bad dealers and angle shooters. But hey, what do I know?
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Old 02-03-2010, 01:21 PM   #12882
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Q is back
I wasn't aware that I'd been anywhere.
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Old 02-03-2010, 01:22 PM   #12883
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If you really want to have fun, go to google translator, then search "hacker" phrases in a different language...Find a forum, translate to english, let us know what you find!
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Old 02-03-2010, 01:23 PM   #12884
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I wasn't aware that I'd been anywhere.
I saw You and Mont. broke up, figured you'd be soiling your royal oats....
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Old 02-03-2010, 01:27 PM   #12885
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I saw You and Mont. broke up, figured you'd be soiling your royal oats....
Monty tends to get a bit overexcited and have a little *****-fest every month or so and then calms down and gets on with what he does.

Nothing to get alarmed about.
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Old 02-03-2010, 01:28 PM   #12886
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Had to quote this comment (from the FT lawsuit article):

"Full Tilt and all poker sites, manufacture the selection of cards by computers. The card deck is made up by software, written by the staff of the poker sites. A bot is a piece of software also.

Therefore, such things as this is referred to as “artificial intelligents,” the same as a piece of software which plays chess or flys a rocket to the moon.

Why should the poker sites have the rights to make and deliver cards to the players at the tables using “arificial intelligents” and the player has no right to play against the their “arificial intelligents” using his or her “arificial intelligents.”

Definitely discrimination, hope Full Tilt’s loses."


There's so much fail here.
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Old 02-03-2010, 02:34 PM   #12887
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Not sure if I've posted this itt but riggies should read up. Heck, everyone should give this a look..

http://www.richardmarcusbooks.com/pokercheatingtips.php


"If rigged means there is cheating on online poker, then the answer is yes. If rigged means that the online poker sites themselves are systematically cheating players, the answer is no. Remember that these huge online poker cheat scams we hear about are only isolated instances of online poker cheating, no matter how big any individual online poker cheat scam may be. In the long haul, the online poker sites are generally safe from any serious cheat scams, although collusion and bot play by online players are commonplace."
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Old 02-03-2010, 03:08 PM   #12888
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[QUOTE=LVGambler;16575681]Not sure if I've posted this itt but riggies should read up. Heck, everyone should give this a look..

http://www.richardmarcusbooks.com/pokercheatingtips.php


"If rigged means there is cheating on online poker, then the answer is yes. If rigged means that the online poker sites themselves are systematically cheating players, the answer is no. Remember that these huge online poker cheat scams we hear about are only isolated instances of online poker cheating, no matter how big any individual online poker cheat scam may be. QUOTE]

Totally agree with your quote...except the last sentence...didn't read the link....
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Old 02-03-2010, 03:39 PM   #12889
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It's from a veteran cheater (not me ).
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Old 02-03-2010, 03:44 PM   #12890
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A hypothetical approach.
Let's just say YOU came across some sort of authentic way to view hole cards, or perhaps view upcoming flop, turn and river cards. What would YOU do? Would you run to 2+2 and tell the world? Some might, but very unlikely. These kind of people, the honest, moral ones, don't mix or interact with these kinds of people. Let's not mistake this ideology, this "access" or manipulation is not going to come via internet. It will be on a "handshake" basis...So you can google till your blue in the fingers...

If you became part of that world, by whatever means, are you going to jump in the sunday million and pimp smack the final table for a cool 200k?
Would you jump unto full tilt and stack the 5 table the 500-1000 tabels?
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Old 02-03-2010, 03:55 PM   #12891
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His list of safe poker rooms is a bit silly since it includes a couple of ipoker skins for instance and whether cheating in the forms of collusion or bots takes place (and I am pretty sure bots have been an issue there), it would be network wide anyway.

His website and his past is very interesting because he is a completely open about it professional cheat. This guy looked hard at ways of cheating casinos and he did a real good job at it. He knows his cheating, and he understands that a ton of cheating does take place on line - however it falls in the much more common area of players doing scams via fraud, collusion or bots.

He laughs off the massive conspiracy of evil fat-cat business theories because they are completely impractical to pull off.
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Old 02-03-2010, 03:57 PM   #12892
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im paranoid and would level myself into thinking the site is going to give me a huge bonus if I do the right thing. (reasons have 0 to do with moraility lol)


first post in here!! tons of laughs ....back to lurking it
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Old 02-03-2010, 04:15 PM   #12893
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If you had an edge that nobody knew about and you wanted to generate a lot of income off of it but not get caught, would you just stick to smaller games and play a ton of them. You would be lightly skimming and not drawing attention to yourself.

Something like this:
http://www.**********************/st...earch/nanonoko

No major downswings in close to 3 million hands.

Sick.
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Old 02-03-2010, 04:18 PM   #12894
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I will give this a try...

Code:
http://www.**********************/stars-player-search/nanonoko
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Old 02-03-2010, 04:20 PM   #12895
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I cannot believe nanonoko just barely made it as Poker Stars online pro. He is the god of online poker having the most incredible online record yet.
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Old 02-03-2010, 04:40 PM   #12896
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If you found a cow that **** gold, would you tell anybody? Would you want people to know your wealth and success came from a cow that defecated morsels of corroded minerals that you painstakingly clean every Sunday and UPS to Saudi Arabia?
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Old 02-03-2010, 04:52 PM   #12897
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His list of safe poker rooms is a bit silly since it includes a couple of ipoker skins for instance and whether cheating in the forms of collusion or bots takes place (and I am pretty sure bots have been an issue there), it would be network wide anyway.

His website and his past is very interesting because he is a completely open about it professional cheat. This guy looked hard at ways of cheating casinos and he did a real good job at it. He knows his cheating, and he understands that a ton of cheating does take place on line - however it falls in the much more common area of players doing scams via fraud, collusion or bots.

He laughs off the massive conspiracy of evil fat-cat business theories because they are completely impractical to pull off.

I've read a lot of books on cheating and have watched a few videos on the subject. This guy's website is pretty comprehensive considering all of the angles and systems out there. He keeps it pretty up to date (but I'm not sure if the whole thing gets updated regularly). If I were going to look for a safe place to play online, I wouldn't just go by one person's opinion. He does do a decent job when it comes to his recommendations though. The best advice (in general) that he gives is to be aware of the scams out there and protect yourself by being alert. Something I don't think riggies think too much about. They seem to only "know" that they're being screwed, but yet do very little or anything about it.
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Old 02-03-2010, 05:00 PM   #12898
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Quote time! **Because I'm bored**


"Luck is not something you can mention in the presence of self-made men."
- E.B. White

"Shallow men believe in luck."
- Ralph Waldo Emerson

"Luck is a dividend of sweat. The more you sweat, the luckier you get."
- Ray Kroc

"I believe in luck. The harder I work the luckier I get."
- Sam Shoen

"All of us have bad luck and good luck. The man who persists through the bad luck -- who keeps right on going -- is the man who is there when the good luck comes -- and is ready to receive it."
- Robert Collier

"Everything in life is luck."
- Donald Trump

"There is no such thing as luck."
- from "Star Wars"

"The only sure thing about luck is that it will change."
- Wilson Mizner

and my favorite:

"Fortune always will confer an aura of worth, unworthily; and in this world the lucky person passes for a genius."
- Euripedes



Until next time riggies

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Old 02-03-2010, 05:41 PM   #12899
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i think richard marcus brooks is pretty ignorant on a whole lot of these issues as they apply to the use of computers and technology
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Old 02-03-2010, 05:41 PM   #12900
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I think it's hilarious people are layin out chump change for "proof." How about this, get your 2+2 partners together, affiliates and poker sites, put up over 6 figures, then such a request will be taken seriously...
why do we have to pay at all for this stuff? if you have it, it is your civic duty to release it and share it.
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