some unbelievably thin skin and/or purposeful obtuseness being displayed itt

like, are we adults? because somehow i'm feeling the need to make sure. doesn't this forum have an 18+ policy?

and btw, i've received two temp-bans in politics for trolling/insults, both of which i feel are somewhat undeserved, but i didn't start crying about it in PMs or threads. how many temp-bans have fly and other people gotten? this whole idea that "liberal" posters get special treatment is a bunch of nonsense.

how about just stop making ****ty arguments that are either unsourced or unsupported by facts, and stop showing prejudice towards minorities and gays. then the meanie liberals won't poke you with sticks

Not sure Fly surviving so many temp bans is the easiest example to make fly.

Duffee not being banned when he could have been is a clearer example of fair modding for the doubters.

I sure am enjoying all these assertions of things that allegedly happened yet absolutely nobody can provide one single link as an example. It's kind of like that time chez, masque and duffee made a whole bunch of posts where they all admitted to frequent and passionate bestiality.

Trying a few times out of curiosity is not frequent.

Hey, hey, hey, the most important thing isn't what actually happened, who threatened who, who was making racist posts. That's not important.

What is important is that there was some, apparently unknowable, theoretical actions someone could have taken to create some, apparently unknowable, thing to happen in response to Bruce's, apparently unknowable, olive twigs that would make a poster, who is currently not banned, able to post here exactly as he is able to today.

Until a group of, apparently unknowable, posters come forward and take responsibility in an, apparently unknowable way, for not reaching out in this, apparently unknowable, manner, a grave injustice of Bruce choosing not to post of his own free volition will continue for, apparently unknowable, reasons.

That and that masque has apparently has seen the nipple on our soul and needs to write 20,000 words about it.

Chez it's pretty amazing to constantly post about how people are deliberately denying apologies and general examples of Bruce extending olive branches, then not posting an example after being asked many times, then admitting that the apology you thought happened didn't happen, then go straight back to the beginning of the circle.

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You're confusing the public and private forums.

what apology did I think happened but didn't?

Heck, if he doesn't want to talk about Bruce, he's welcome to talk about me, or any one else. Let's talk in detail about one of the odious posts made by the Bruce detractors and show how ugly and prejudiced and unfair and worse than racism it was. Pick a post, any post.

What a bunch of *******s posters were to not respond to Bruce's olive twig that no one in public forums could read, that chez wont show actually existed, and that was apparently mixed in with threats to other moderators.

Chez sort of tacitly admitting defeat by straight up refusing to answer specific questions now though, question now is just when he'll swallow his pride and never speak of this again.

Screencap of this alleged private forum apology or GTFO.

If Bruce apologizes in a forest and there's nobody around to hear it did he really make a sound?

No but it would still be wrong

Seriously, I asked if wookie found all the posts from Bruce in the private forum devoid of understanding and empathy (and maybe even an olive twig)? Not sure what is confusing people.

Wookie is entitled not to answer but there's nothing to discuss about the public stuff as far as i'm concerned as it's been done to death.

You stated definitively there were examples of Bruce reaching out and offering an olive branch. Please show your work with one (1) such example.

So you can't link to one single odious post to make your point?

Chez is just trolling at this point out of frustration and guilt so, no, he's not going to make an actual point.

I found Bruce's explanations of his posts, both the racist ones and those directed at those commenting on his racist posts, to be transparently insincere, as did a large number of other mods. But those are private. Perhaps there is a public post you think is sincere and a good effort that you can highlight for us?

Obviously we disagree but thank you at least for acknowledging they exist.

Haven't we covered the public situation. What else do you want me to say?

Nothing. Go back to your hole.

So, there wasn't any apology, or attempt at one, or anything close. Or any sort of olive branch extension posted publicly in any form. OK. Why don't you pick out one of my posts and show how I could have been more olive branchy.

Insincere explanations of posts in a private forum mixed in with personal threats....an olive branch that requires posters in a public forum to something something avoid fiascos!

This is what chez actually believes. loooooooooooooooooooool

Wonder if we'll ever get an actual point or example from chez or any sort of explanation about why he keeps asking about why chez was re-de-modded even though its patently obvious.

Or provide literally any example of any post that any poster could make.

Obviously a completely different realm of seriousness, but the chezlogic bears remarkable resemblance to the discussion about how both "sides" in the Ferguson fiasco need to reach out and compromise because...reasons...and with absolutely no follow up response to how that actually would work in practice.

I was referring to the private forum.

If you really saw not even a glimmer of empathy or understanding coming from Bruce then there's nothing more to say

Basic simple question to the mods posting here? Is there a minimum set of actions or assurances offered by BruceZ that exists which if you saw take place you would offer support or not object to his reinstatement as Moderator?

If so all we have to do is ask Bruce what he would like to see be acknowledged from his side and what he can offer and then maybe we can bring all sides to an agreement that improves 2+2 that involves having back active a creative member.

Are you guys prepared to declare he is not a racist? Do you have a place he ever posted that he specifically says that a particular race or ethnic group is inferior as people to other groups? I would imagine racists do that all the time and are proud of it.

Do you even know the guy speaks Spanish and has lived for a while in Mexico? I have never seen him over the years say anything that would indicate he views certain color people or ethnic group as inferior humans in any way.

If i were Bruce number one condition i would set is for the management and the mods of politics forum that this started from to admit that they think i am not a racist. Can we have at least that? If we cant then prove your case with any proper definition of racism;
eg

1) The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2) Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Where has 1 or 2 happened with Bruce? Where has he discriminated against a particular race in a manner that hurts them or affects them materially?

He certainly was sad he got caught up in this, but he insisted to the end that we should believe simultaneously that he was playing the role of a racist for argument and that nothing he said was actually racist, not recognizing that these were contradictory positions. He did try to reword things to try to find something we would believe, but he would never concede that his posts were racist, only that he could see how we would mistake his posts for being racist, and that our inability to see that the posts weren't racist was our own shortcoming.

My bad I missed the 'should have been' in the below post