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04-03-2015 , 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
He gives three reasons why the arrests might have occurred....
No, I gave three reasons for searches per incident of arrest. For example, when we subtract searches per incident of arrest due to outstanding warrants, the racial disparity index falls from 2.07 to 0.85, meaning we’re not seeing any racial disparity in discretionary searches by FPD.
04-03-2015 , 12:32 AM
Duffee has never been claiming racism wasn't part of the cause, he just believes the rampant over-policing is the bigger problem. You guys read everything in a way that makes it racist, just like how with just the right tone you can make anything about sex. Wookie you looking pretty orange tonight. Okay, maybe not.
04-03-2015 , 12:34 AM
so you would deny the existence of racist motivations in the "over-policing" that occurs in ferguson, even in the face of what we now know from the DOJ report? lol
04-03-2015 , 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
so you would deny the existence of racist motivations in the "over-policing" that occurs in ferguson, even in the face of what we now know from the DOJ report? lol
Wat? You're weird, how could anyone get that from that?
04-03-2015 , 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by duffee
No, I gave three reasons for searches per incident of arrest. For example, when we subtract searches per incident of arrest due to outstanding warrants, the racial disparity index falls from 2.07 to 0.85, meaning we’re not seeing any racial disparity in discretionary searches by FPD.
...and can blacks having more outstanding warrants be in any way effected by racism within the court system? This is wookies original question reworded.

Btw, Duffee, I think it was worded unclearly in the DOJ report, but they actually controlled for the type of search, which may rule out searches initiated by warrants.
04-03-2015 , 12:43 AM
ok replace the word "deny" with "trivialize" or "downplay"

why do you think the "overpolicing" occurs primarily against blacks in ferguson?
04-03-2015 , 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by duffee
No, I gave three reasons for searches per incident of arrest. For example, when we subtract searches per incident of arrest due to outstanding warrants, the racial disparity index falls from 2.07 to 0.85, meaning we’re not seeing any racial disparity in discretionary searches by FPD.
just quoting to point out that duffee still believes racism isn't a primary motivating factor in the way FPD conducts its affairs
04-03-2015 , 12:50 AM
and back to wookie's original point, when you rule out the existence of racism in the policing, all you're left with is the pre-supposition that blacks are inherently more criminal/dangerous than whites
04-03-2015 , 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
just quoting to point out that duffee still believes racism isn't a primary motivating factor in the way FPD conducts its affairs
Jhesus, no he's pointing at one specific stat about search rate. Seriously, what is with this game of pin the tail on the white supremicist? Why not just ask him if he thinks racism plays a role? I'm pretty sure he has said as much in the past, just that he thinks other factors are more significant.
04-03-2015 , 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
and back to wookie's original point, when you rule out the existence of racism in the policing, all you're left with is the pre-supposition that blacks are inherently more criminal/dangerous than whites
And back to my original, original, overall point that when you lose track of or were not a part of the conversation, it's really hard to know what's going on.
04-03-2015 , 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
Jhesus, no he's pointing at one specific stat about search rate. Seriously, what is with this game of pin the tail on the white supremicist? Why not just ask him if he thinks racism plays a role? I'm pretty sure he has said as much in the past, just that he thinks other factors are more significant.
such as...? (since you're now speaking for him)
04-03-2015 , 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
And back to my original, original, overall point that when you lose track of or were not a part of the conversation, it's really hard to know what's going on.
umm i've followed the mike brown thread basically since day one bro
04-03-2015 , 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
...and can blacks having more outstanding warrants be in any way effected by racism within the court system? This is wookies original question reworded.
I pretty much agree with MrWookie on that one. At the administration level, they’re doing it to blacks because they’re getting away with it.
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Btw, Duffee, I think it was worded unclearly in the DOJ report, but they actually controlled for the type of search, which may rule out searches initiated by warrants.
Here’s the vehicle stop data for 2012 (pdf) and 2013 (pdf) from the MO AG.
04-03-2015 , 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
such as...? (since you're now speaking for him)
Imagine you’re a cop patrolling a politically balanced community. Over the course of a year you stop 50 Democrats (1 per week) and 50 Republicans (1 per week) but you search 4 Republicans (1 every 13 weeks) compared to only 2 Democrats (1 every 26 weeks). So at the end of the year your political disparity index is 2.0. What’s your justification? I think if you we’re highly biased, you’d be searching a lot more motorists with elephant stickers on their cars. What I think is going on is below the conscious surface, and you're not even aware you're doing it.

That’s representative of a typical patrol cop in America. What’s going on in Ferguson (and other areas that are over-policed maybe not for revenue, but for crime reduction) is that they’re stopping motorists 4 times the above rate, which results in a great deal more searches.
04-03-2015 , 01:48 AM
so in your hyper simplified theoretical situation, stopping and searching one group of people 2x as often as another group of people is just business as usual and doesn't meet the duffee-threshold for prejudice.

where would you set the line for racial discrimination to be a significant motivating factor? 3x? 4x? 10x?
04-03-2015 , 01:50 AM
once again, duffee going hard in the paint with hypotheticals to assert that FPD isn't operating in a racist manner

foldn, where you at bruh?
04-03-2015 , 01:54 AM
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Originally Posted by duffee
I pretty much agree with MrWookie on that one. At the administration level, they’re doing it to blacks because they’re getting away with it.
why is that? because black people typically can't afford elite legal counsel and/or get stiffed with the heaviest possible charges more often than not? you don't think that systemic racism is a significant factor in that?
04-03-2015 , 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Louis Cyphre
What the hell???
It was in the thread on interesting sexual practices, the one where Zigzag was explaining the finer nuances of necrophilia.
04-03-2015 , 02:29 AM
u mean the thread where DS asked if it was immoral to rape a corpse?
04-03-2015 , 02:30 AM
im pretty sure you missed the point of zikzak's post, but w/e, we're still waiting on you to provide just one example of a brucez apology/olive branch
04-03-2015 , 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
u mean the thread where DS asked if it was immoral to rape a corpse?
No I mean the one where letsgambool was telling us about how much he enjoyed ... no I can't even bring myself to say it before breakfast.
04-03-2015 , 02:42 AM
well you can't even bring yourself to quote a single post from brucez that even somewhat resembles an apology or taking responsibility/showing remorse for the **** that he spewed (at any time of day), so yea, the "usual-usual"

enjoy your breakfast m8
04-03-2015 , 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
enjoy your breakfast m8
Txs
04-03-2015 , 07:50 AM
Hey chez, remember that time you lied about BruceZ making an apology? Did you really think we were all dumb enough to fall for that?
04-03-2015 , 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
Jhesus, no he's pointing at one specific stat about search rate. Seriously, what is with this game of pin the tail on the white supremicist? Why not just ask him if he thinks racism plays a role? I'm pretty sure he has said as much in the past, just that he thinks other factors are more significant.
Its almost like we've been through this a bunch of times and explained that the stat in question isn't the point and that there is massive racism evident outside of the traffic stop data.

TY for posting this in the right thread though, this is where you are supposed to whine about how we are mean to racists and that you have a sad over it. Progress!

      
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