True.

They already have a 5/10 PLO/PLO8 game that runs at Derby a couple times a week, and of course the regular limit O8 game that runs there regularly. I'd be down for trying a 1/2 PLO8 game at Derby on a Saturday, where it might be sustainable. We can probably even convince them to give us free lunch, which they did for the 6/12 limit O8 game, as long as it lasted. Also, I still have the texting contact list from the 10/20 limit O8 game that was running at THR for a bit. Pick a date and time (Sat. 10am?) for the first one, and we can try to make if fly.

I'll defer that to Alex since he was the brain child of starting this conversation. Since Scott is now an active member of this forum, I would also want to see if he has any input as to spreading a game like this at The Hard Rock (since this there forum).

I'm game for it anywhere, I'd be good for pretty much any Saturday for the next few weeks.

Iirc, you can't just show up and play in the 5/10 plo/plo8 game at derby. Last time I looked into it, it was a private game. Anyone know if that's changed?

The last time I stopped in and saw it was going I asked and was told no.

I just called the room because I could go for some PLO (since I haven't beaten my head against a brick wall in a while) and the girl who answered said it's not going, and hasn't gone in a while, and when it does it's 50/50 private/not..."Depending on who is playing". Not sure what the hell that means.

just add some balance... (from a non-reg... but i go a lot whenever i'm in town)... i think scott is offering reasonable responses.... even if most on here disagree with him. i would very much prefer a higher max buy-in for the small game and doubt it would dilute their player pool. but the fact of the matter is, they have enormous amounts of 1-2 games going with the current stakes. it's unlikely they'll get more players by changing it up... but imo they won't lose player and their players will be happier. but i get what scott is saying.

also, as much as WE know that buying for 40 is the same regardless of the max buy-in (even beneficial if everyone else has you covered), that's not how casual players see it. they don't want to sit in a game with intimidating stacks around them. they want even playing fields and the pride of being the big stack after a few pots. i was there once. i get it. and let's be totally honest... if we 2+2'ers start with a 200 or 300 instead of 100, our opening bets going to be sized differently. it does change the game. just like a 2-5 game usually plays differently between 500 max and 1000 max. i don't think people will stop playing 1-2, but i think a lot of those casual short stackers may prefer it doesn't change.

just my opinion... posting mainly cause all other responses seem to disagree, just letting scott know i have some understanding.


but i'd still like a higher max buy-in for the 1-2 game.

So, split the difference and try $150. 30 red chips is not an imposing stack by any means as far as the psychological argument of intimidating short stacks.

So....switching gears, did anyone get and email from a fellow poker player. First, Rapini or any other moderator, I'm not sure what I can post here in terms of names or information, but I received a mass email in which a poker player/advocate who is known as the poker guy, said that he heard from a dealer that THR was raising the jackpot drop from $1 to $2. In the email he mentions sending in a letter to the person who is the intrim manager (again I don't know if by rules of this board can I post this).

First, Scott, as the representative from the room and management is there truth to this? I guess you really don't "have" to say but the whole jackpot/promo situation was discussed ad nauseam when you first arrived on the scene. If it is going up to $2 are we going to see promos like at Hollywood? Gift/gas cards, high hands and other various promos simultaneously?

Second, in this email, the author mentions, "...why limit the rake? Just take 10%, with no limit." While I'm for certain the Hard Rock "could" do this since they are Native American land, I believe there may be something within either the compact with the State or having to do with the license that grants the right to deal poker in the state that woild prevent this from happening. Plus, I know I don't speak for just myself, if any rake went past $7 total, I wouldn't step foot one into that place ever again in my life. If this drop is going to $2 there are some here that won't go back to this room. I want to believe that this is the last room with $1 jackpot drop, but I may be wrong.

I'd love to post the letter. If I can please let me know if I can. If not pm me and ill forward anyone a copy.

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Just like all the pari-mutuel cardrooms in Florida, THR is free to charge any amount of rake they please. There are no laws, regulations or compact terms that require any limits on the rake (or jackpot drop).

You mean the 10% up to 5 $ is just agreed upon that all rooms follow? Thanks, I honestly thought it was a regulation.

That does open the door to some interesting possibilities.

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I received the e-mail from B the "Poker Guy" as well.

The e-mail is confusing in that he mentions that a THR dealer told him that management is thinking about raising the jackpot drop from $1 to $2, which would be terrible if this were to happen, then goes on a rant about 10% rake on a $500 pot being $50. I think he is trying to show by using the 10% rake as an example that if we don't take a stand against the increased JP drop then eventually the Tribe will start to think about how to increase the rake overall (this is my interpretation anyways, the e-mail is a little incoherent and he kept spelling rake "rack").

Hey do any of you guys know if they are runnin satellites to the 10 million guarantee at THR Hollywood? If they are could someone link a schedule please..... Tha ms a bunch!

I was there last night apparently the highest hand every hour gets a tourney ticket to a sit n go worth i think $575. I believe its a multi table satellite...
So yes the do have satellites not sure when though

My understanding is that turbo mtt sattelites will be running every Monday to Thursday and regular speed on Saturdays through July.

How is there no way to get on the list for a specific table? Is this a limitation of Bravo or your brushes?

andymalman, send the email directly to Scott via private message so he can deal with it. The only way you'd be allowed to post it here is if you redact all personally-identifying information from it.

What is the biggest limit hold'em game being spread on a daily basis?

Just ask a brush for a transfer to the table where you want to play.

I have seen the email going around about a $2 jackpot drop. The sender is not affiliated with the Seminole Hard Rock. An email sent out by a random guy and based on hearsay shouldn’t be taken as credible. Obviously I can’t guarantee things won’t change in the future, but a change is no more likely today than it was yesterday, or last week, or last year.

The table I was looking at moving to was full, I asked two brushes about being put on the list specifically for that table when a seat opened, and they said the only thing I could do was watch the table and notify a brush whenever someone got up and ask to be transferred. It wasn't so bad because the table was right next to the one I was playing at but if it were a few rows/columns over, I'd have been screwed.

Both brushes I asked seemed to have no idea how to put me on the list for the game's stake with a note about only wanting said table (which seems like the easiest fix, imo).

Every Monday-Thursday in July at 7pm there will be a $575 buy-in multi table turbo satellite with 1 SHRPO seat per 10 entries. Also in July, every Saturday at 2pm there will be a $575 multi table satellite with 5 SHRPO seats guaranteed.
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In August, there will be 2 multi table satellites with 10 seats guaranteed each. The dates are not confirmed.

We would be happy to spread a PLO8 game.

How are the 1230pm tournaments during the week. Should be in the area on Tuesday and would love to get some poker in.

Would anybody be interested in getting a 1/1 plo game going? Min buy in 40 Max buy in could be 200-300. I think it would be good for those people who want to play plo, but can't afford the 1/2, since it really plays like a 2/5 with the straddle.

Yes. Would be a very low barrier to entry.

Scott,

Could you bring up to the new management the issue of the room's policy never to reduce rake? Neither I nor anyone I play with has ever heard of refusing to reduce rake for short-handed games. Never seen it in any room I've ever played; when players ask for a rake reduction short-handed, it's never a problem anywhere else. But at Hard Rock, instead of getting (or keeping) a game going, every party involved gets nothing-- players don't play, dealers get no tips, room gets no rake. It would be great if this policy could be reviewed and hopefully (and rightfully) done away with. Thank you, sir.

This is a good point and an issue that comes up frequently in 2/5 NLHE games. It's seems strange and just really bad business that THR won't ever reduce rake when a game gets short handed. I was playing at Best Bet and the table got short handed but we wanted to keep the table going as there were a couple of guys who were pretty drunk and playing bingo with $1K plus stacks (Friday night, lol). The floor saw that the the table had gotten down to 5 handed and was in danger of breaking and they actually came over and proactively told the dealer to reduce the rake...I was shocked but thrilled! Long story short the table played short handed for about 30 mins. and then they were able to fill it up again and went back to normal rake. Seemed like a good deal for the players, the house and the dealer.

As far as I know THR never, ever allows reduced rake for SH games, does anyone know why they are so stubborn about this?