From your own citation:

In 16 hours of play at a nickle slot, a single player is expected to lose $256. Multiply that times nine players and the casino expectation is to make $2,304. (My casino has nine-handed tables for most games.)

The highest time game my casino has is $6 per half. That comes to $192 in time charges for a player playing 16 hours, or $1,728 for a table of nine for that long.

Which means the casino makes $576 more in 16 hours of play from nine players in nickle slots than it does in the priciest time game my casino spreads.

It's a little better using a rake. My place rakes $5 a hand (more than the $4 a hand which is standard in Atlantic City and presumably other places). Assume 34 hands an hour (about average) raked at $4.50 per hand (which is probably a high estimate since many hands are raked less than the max at $1/2 and even $2/5). That comes to $2,448, a little more than the nickle slots.

However the casino is also paying 16 hours of dealers and their benefits which isn't the case with nickle slots. Also, poker needs more supervisors that a slot parlor. Poker has a lot more overhead than slots.

And let's look at tournaments: Any tournament rake is spread out over the many hours the tournament ran but not just in real time - four tables running an hour is four hours of paying dealers.

Just tonight, for example, I ran our daily Pot Limit Omaha tourney. It's a $40+10. We had 46 players so the tournament generated $460 for the room. Dealers dealt 35 downs which meant that the room received $460 for 17.5 hours of dealer time. Do the math here. (And that was cutting it short - it was supposed to pay the top five players but they chopped it all up equally when they were 7-handed.)

I realized this is a very small buy-in event but you can hike up the casino cut for a larger buy-in and/or presume more players but either scenario will add to the length of the tournament. And again, we are comparing this to nickle slots.

I will not post about this again because this is not Borgata specific. If someone wants to start a thread about this topic, feel free. I may or may not repeat myself in it.

They still make the $4 or whatever, the 12 you hear on their check is how the tournament tips get split up. when you see 3% withheld for staff, that is being split up by dealers as an hourly rate.

i am thinkining of playing sunday in the green chip bponty at 11.need to know about how late it will last,as i have to work early monday in delaware.thanks.

11 AM tourneys are cancelled Sun thru Wed because of Mini-series. See latest daily schedule. 4PM and 7 PM's still good.

it is still listed on poker atlas but cancelled on the website.thanks

I am suprised to read your post as I have had just the opposite experience.
I stay for maximum 2 nights and play a lot of blackjack and some poker.

I play 40-80 limit or above for holdem and $200 a hand blackjack. However I am extremely undisciplined in BJ and find myself making the occasional 2-4k bets on single hands. However after I lose/or win the hand I go back to 2-300. I also put down the max on red to start my night off while I wait for the dealer to shuffle.

As a result of this I get regular/waterclub/vista/fiore suites anytime of the week I want.

I've always thought the borgata treats me very well and am extremely satisfied with the comps room wise that I get.

Additionally, I never had a host. I just book through the website.

You may want to open a line of credit with them for a decent amount of money as that may increase their offers but it seems to me you are getting a raw deal and should ask to speak to someone in customer care rather than your host to see if that shakes up the tree

Just been reading the posts from last week, the comp dollars thing on cash play vs Tourney Play goes on...okay, now we all know they don't make enough on tourneys to change the comp program....That being said, I believe BORGATA WAS/IS scripting out some sort of thing for the tourney players. There is already money built on for contests leaderboard promotions and stuff, but were looking into equal amount of built in money on loyalty program. Kind of like on 300+30, you would get 3 for playing, big deal. You still would make more double playing 1-2 for few hours .
I believe this was put on back burner and not finished up about two weeks ago, when they had the Wednesday Ipoker meeting, and realized how much will change in 100 days. The sites comp slush fun should more than make up for things in some small way. There may be experiences coming available that probably a little out of the convential,than the usual put three bucks on my comp account.
It will never be exactly right again, but has to be a good time to be a New Jersey Poker Player. And thats all that last night winner at Parx Super has to say about that, bell, biv, devoe

Seriously guys, do you want them to just raise all tournament fees by $10 and then give you back $5 comp to make you feel better?

Don't overestimate the wisdom of poker players. CET raised its BBJ rake to $2 to fund "rakeback" and managed to convince people that it was a good idea.

+1

And actually for the regular guys there, it is actually good for them, the rakeback alone they almost get it back.

Anyone know how many players in the 180 today for day 1a?

While I've been playing poker in AC for a few years my familiarity with the Borgata comp system is pretty much nil since it was more convenient for me to play on the Boardwalk casinos. I'm thinking of moving my game over and any information on the ins and out as well as how to maximize the comp system would be great.

Please consider the parameters below in your reply. While I have a sense of humor this inquiry is more on the serious side so, if possible, I prefer keeping the sarcasm to a minimum in the replies.

I've also been made aware of the daily hours issue -- using your card for 12 hours one day and 2 hours the next -- so perhaps someone can address strategies for that as well.


Goals:
1. I'm looking to get comped Saturday nights
2. Free food (earn with comp dollars or time, etc.)


Things to consider:
1. Since I work during the week I tend to play weekends only, usually Saturday.
2. I usually play the deep-stacked 1/2 (100-500 buy-in) but would consider 2/5.
3. Playing a 10 hour session is not a big deal for me
4. Re 2 & 3: I'm a cash game player not a tourney guy
5. I don't have a car and take the bus down. Since the Borg is not on the Boardwalk (or offers bus service) it's not convenient for me, especially very late a night.

Thanks in advance. Feel free to PM me on this as not to clog up the thread (although I'm sure it might be informative for others as well).

+1...?

If you have a Chairman or Diamond card you can get a Borgata Black Card, which will give you access to the Amphora Lounge or the Buffet for ten comp dollars. This is a tremendous value. Amphora is far superior to the Chairman Club or any of the Diamond Lounges.

Earning a Black Card will be a small challenge if you only play 1/2NLHE one day a week. You need to earn 1,000 comp dollars in a 365 day period to get a Black card. 1/2 NLHE earns $1.50 per hour in comps, so you would have to put in 666 hours. Borgata poker has had some latitude to give black cards to players who didn't meet the requirement but there's no guarantee that that will continue.

There's a lot of player and 2+2 speculation about whether you help or hurt your free room offers by playing a long session one day and a short one the next. If this is important to you should contact Vinny or someone on his staff to discuss your situation and get an answer straight from the horse's mouth.

There's a great summary of the room and FAQ type stuff in the first post in this thread.

270 "entrants"

You won't get comped Saturday nights if you play low stakes N/L once a week. You will get weekdays and some Fridays. There is no deep-stack 1/2. All 1/2 games have a minimum of $60 and a maximum of $300. The "Deep stack" option is for 2/5NL only.

The system they use for hotel offers seems ridiculous to me. This weekend I played 40/80+ for about 3 1/2 hours friday, 6 hours saturday, then made it a point to NOT play anything Sunday so I wouldn't bring my daily average down (I'm not staying at the Borgata) but used my comp dollars to buy lunch, and now somehow my room offers went way UP after this weekend, I assume because on the site they have me recorded as being there on Sunday because I used my comps...Do I really have to go out of my way to completely avoid the Borgata unless I'm going to play for 5+ hours there?

No, you just have to avoid any account activity. By using your comps on Sunday, the system knew you were there that day. You have to stay completely off the radar. This is true for just about every casino. If you had paid cash you would've been ok.

Too much whining. Everyone should know the drill by now. Play 8 or 9 hours a day, get comped rooms. Otherwise, no beotching. Just do it. Just play. Get the rooms. Easy.

Entries for Day 1B? Saw they had 268 with 29 to day 2. This thing looks like it shaping up crush the 100k gtd.

I dont know about this.

Why would the system care if you're in the building but not playing? You're not less likely to play at the same rate as usual the next session just because you were in the building one day without playing.

I can see the difference in something like deciding to play but only playing a little or not playing at all while you have a comped room.

Supposing i play huge all night and then wake up, eat breakfast on my comps, then drive home. Cant imagine that damages my comp profile.

If correct, I hate that they do this, as MaxRhino notes, it's not uncommon for people to play all day Saturday, stay Sat night, and only play a few hours in the morning if at all, use some comps to pay for breakfast, and head home. If the theory is correct here, a lot of people are punished for their lower-than-average play on Sunday.

Can we get Borgata Poker to address this please?

Not sure if anyone knows but how long so comps typically last, I went to borgata last year in September and played alot of blackjack and now have a few free nights or anything over two is 50 charge. How long will they continue offering this?

i lost my free weekdays after not playing for about 6 months... went back once and the offers came back.

Average number of runners for the Thurs and Fri daily tournaments?