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08-27-2013 , 08:14 PM
for more info on NYC to AC by bus see the thread dedicated to that subject:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/27...c-bus-1008597/
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08-27-2013 , 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by lwlee
Can I use the $25 play at Borgata?
No.

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Originally Posted by lwlee
It seems like a bit of a hassle.
It is. The cheapest and easiest room to get to from NYC is Sands. The bus from Port Authority is operated by Transbridge and costs $30. You get $45 in slot play plus the trip is less than 90 minutes when there's no traffic.
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08-27-2013 , 09:03 PM
Coming down tomorrow night and staying until Friday
Hope that 10/20 Omaha or O/E game gets off.
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08-27-2013 , 10:13 PM
I play regularly at Sands or Parx now. I'm not liking the discussion of crowded waits. Think I'm going to continue driving and see if I can get someone who's willing to pay half the cost to ride along.

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Originally Posted by boomBAMboom
It is. The cheapest and easiest room to get to from NYC is Sands. The bus from Port Authority is operated by Transbridge and costs $30. You get $45 in slot play plus the trip is less than 90 minutes when there's no traffic.
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08-27-2013 , 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by dire wolf
Coming down tomorrow night and staying until Friday
Hope that 10/20 Omaha or O/E game gets off.
10/20 O/8 runs consistently from Thursday - Sunday. 10/20 O/E is at Taj; Borgata won't spread it
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08-27-2013 , 10:51 PM
Taj does not have 10-20. It is 15-30-45 and it runs every weekend! This Friday if you play you can even get all the bbjp money, even though there is no bbjp box for omaha or stud. Some people have no shame! You will never get a penny of the bbjp funds playing omaha or stud at Borgata. So, where do you want to play omaha and stud?

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Originally Posted by cockpit
10/20 O/8 runs consistently from Thursday - Sunday. 10/20 O/E is at Taj; Borgata won't spread it

Last edited by dipce; 08-27-2013 at 11:12 PM.
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08-27-2013 , 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by lwlee
I'm not liking the discussion of crowded waits.
Expect crowded waits for Greyhounds back to NYC on Sundays. On any other day of the week the buses rarely fill
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08-27-2013 , 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by boomBAMboom
Expect crowded waits for Greyhounds back to NYC on Sundays. On any other day of the week the buses rarely fill
Yes the Sunday back to NY or NJ is bad for any bus company.
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08-28-2013 , 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by dipce
Taj does not have 10-20. It is 15-30-45 and it runs every weekend! This Friday if you play you can even get all the bbjp money, even though there is no bbjp box for omaha or stud. Some people have no shame! You will never get a penny of the bbjp funds playing omaha or stud at Borgata. So, where do you want to play omaha and stud?
Your information is outdated. The 10/20 OE game, which is one of the two games the OP asked about, moved from Harrah's to Taj a few weeks ago.
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08-28-2013 , 01:43 PM
if you say so. That just makes the theft of the bbjp funds which will happen tomorrow all the more glaring and shameful. Just by sitting down playing poker those players could pick up $6,500 in bbjp funds tomorrow without even one dollar collected for the bbjp.

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Originally Posted by cockpit
Your information is outdated. The 10/20 OE game, which is one of the two games the OP asked about, moved from Harrah's to Taj a few weeks ago.
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08-28-2013 , 08:42 PM
Taj is probably doing whatever they need to keep the steady business that's remained there. I don't agree with the use of BBJP funds either (yet another reason not to like it).

Probably belongs in a different (Harrah's) thread, but I'm curious about Harrah's losing the 10/20 OE to Taj. Was it a matter of comps or something else?
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08-28-2013 , 09:24 PM
that group is constantly making deals with harrah's, taj, n Borgata. Would not be the least bit surprised to see them back at Harrah's or even at Borgata next month!
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08-28-2013 , 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by dipce
that group is constantly making deals with harrah's, taj, n Borgata. Would not be the least bit surprised to see them back at Harrah's or even at Borgata next month!
This is correct.
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08-30-2013 , 09:13 AM
interesting rulling at borgata last night. A short stack went allin on the flop for 100ish, someone calls with QQ. board runner-runners a 10 high straight but on the river SS doesnt read the board and said he missed his flush. his cards went over the betting line face down as if he was giving up, and the table says its a chop between the two then he realizes it and tries to recover his hand. ofc QQ flips out and claims its not a chop. floor is called and decides its a chop. thoughts? I would think once the cards pass the line face down its a muck.
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08-30-2013 , 09:20 AM
Room dependent. At showdown, if the hand is retrievable, in many/most rooms it is ruled live.

Then floor should warn the tools who spoke up about the chop that it's OPTAH, unless and until the player tables his hand.
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08-30-2013 , 09:30 AM
players should have shut up.

if the dealer didn't pull the cards in, player can still turn em over.
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08-30-2013 , 09:33 AM
Yep. The rules say that players can't tell anyone to table their hand, as that is still considered a violation of OPTAH.
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08-30-2013 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by cl0r0x70
Yep. The rules say that players can't tell anyone to table their hand, as that is still considered a violation of OPTAH.
What does OPTAH stand for?
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08-30-2013 , 01:52 PM
One Player To A Hand
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08-30-2013 , 01:54 PM
OPTAH = one player to a hand.

Every decision -- EVEN THE DECISION TO TURN A HAND OVER -- constitutes player action. This means that even if there is a Royal Flush on the board, the rest of the table by rule is supposed to to sit there with their yaps shut.

Once all players have shown or folded, can the rest of the players chime in and help declare winner, read the board, etc.
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08-30-2013 , 04:21 PM
I have seen the shift manager at Borgata pull cards face down out of the muck and declare the hand live! Folding is not the same as making as a bet. There is one part of the rules that saids one player to a hand. But there is in the same rulebook language which finds it abhorrent to cheat a tourist out of a pot due to a nitty interpretation of the rules. The floor made the correct decision.

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Originally Posted by Emiya Muljomdao
interesting rulling at borgata last night. A short stack went allin on the flop for 100ish, someone calls with QQ. board runner-runners a 10 high straight but on the river SS doesnt read the board and said he missed his flush. his cards went over the betting line face down as if he was giving up, and the table says its a chop between the two then he realizes it and tries to recover his hand. ofc QQ flips out and claims its not a chop. floor is called and decides its a chop. thoughts? I would think once the cards pass the line face down its a muck.
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08-30-2013 , 05:58 PM
What if the mucked hand had a Jack, and he scooped the pot so it wasn't a chop?

Still feel the same way about retrieving the hand out of the muck?

Correctly reading your hand and the board and tabling your hand are part of the game. If you can't do that, you should always table your hand (which is the advice I give all new players.)
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08-30-2013 , 09:13 PM
there is a difference between 'his cards went over the betting line face down as if he was giving up', and his hands going into the muck, about three feet, if he was sitting in seat #8. If the hand had been tabled and then mucked by the dealer in error, and they are identifiable in the muck, he gets the pot, if, as here, he did not table his hand, I would tend to give him the pot if the cards did not hit the muck, but I can't remember the Borgata Poker Room rule, if there is one. I think the rule is the hand is live until it hits the muck. Your advice is correct.

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Originally Posted by cl0r0x70
What if the mucked hand had a Jack, and he scooped the pot so it wasn't a chop?

Still feel the same way about retrieving the hand out of the muck?

Correctly reading your hand and the board and tabling your hand are part of the game. If you can't do that, you should always table your hand (which is the advice I give all new players.)

Last edited by dipce; 08-30-2013 at 09:27 PM.
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08-30-2013 , 10:03 PM
I saw a situation like this at Borgata last month. Heads up at river. Both players check and one player tables his cards while other player pushes his cards (face down) over the line toward the dealer. The dealer pulls the cards into the muck. Dealer pushes pot to the player who tabled his cards. The board was a straight, which was higher than the player who tabled his hand. Player who tabled his cards says that it should be a split pot since he also was playing the board, so didn't need to show his cards. Floor was called and ruled that since cards were in muck, dealer made the correct decision to award pot to the player who tabled his hand. Player who didn't table his cards put up a big fight. A supervisor was called over and made same ruling. Player who didn't table his cards said dealer took his cards before he could turn them over and insisted the tape be reviewed. Ruling after tape was reviewed was that dealer properly mucked cards after player placed them over the line face down. Supervisor said tape showed everything was according to rules. Bottom line is to always table your hand, or it is dead.
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08-30-2013 , 10:31 PM
FYP.

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Originally Posted by Spock1
I saw a situation like this at Borgata last month. Heads up at river. Both players check and one player tables his cards while other player pushes his cards (face down) over the line toward the dealer. The dealer pulls the cards into the muck. Dealer pushes pot to the player who tabled his cards. The board was a straight, which was higher than the player who tabled his hand. Player who tabled his cards says that it should be a split pot since he also was playing the board, so didn't need to show his cards. Floor was called and ruled that since cards were in muck, dealer made the correct decision to award pot to the player who tabled his hand. Player who didn't table his cards put up a big fight. A supervisor was called over and made same ruling. Player who didn't table his cards said dealer took his cards before he could turn them over and insisted the tape be reviewed. Ruling after tape was reviewed was that dealer properly mucked cards after player placed them over the line face down. Supervisor said tape showed everything was according to rules. Bottom line is to always table your hand, or it is dead when it goes into the muck.
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