I do not believe in forcing people to play limits that they are not comfortable with. If a player wants to play 3-6, they should sign up for 3-6. If they want to play 4-8, they should sign up for 4-8.

Stan

Just twist my arm, and I'll play the 20 tomorrow!

Twist,twist

Stan

Was in AC Sunday to Tuesday. Primary goal was to play at the Taj's $540+60HOSE tournament Monday, then play some cash games.

My friend and I were not optimistic that this event would get a lot of people. The more we thought about it, the less people we thought were going to show. When we planned for this, I thought if 100 people were in it, I'd be happy. The night before, I said I'd be happy with 60.

15 people signed up for thing. Dejected, we went to the Borg and played in both $80+20 tourneys at 11am and 7pm. Unfortunately, I didn't cash in either (14th in the second one), but I had a good time at the Borg. I gave the Taj a final chance, but it seems I'm just going to be visiting the Borg when I make the trek to AC now. The place is just much better in almost every aspect now.

Stan - I didn't ask for you, but I didn't see you walking around on Monday. Maybe you were off.

I might have to plan for the Winter Open to play a decent HOSE tournament. I hope you get dealers who know how to deal O8 and S8. There were many complaints in the last HOSE tournament you guys had.

Didn't mean it that way...

I was just curious if this might be a new direction.

I just think the more limits you spread the better.

Stan

That certainly could be the official rule, but I am 100% certain that it would be a better rule not to reshuffle if no one yet to act stays in the pot, as it does not then bias the game with extra information known by the players.

Also, the only time I can recall this happening in a game I played at the Borgata, the card was _not_ shuffled in, no one made any protest about it, and no floor was called. If there was a commotion at the table where this happened, it probably was because the dealer was not following what the other players had previously found to be the standard procedure at the Borgata.

I hate to disagree with Stan (who is the man), but I don't think it is a good idea to offer two levels that are too close together. The pink chip 7.50/15 game was too close to the 10/20, and really I think 4/8 is too close to 3/6 for them both to be able to thrive. However, I would love 4/8 to completely replace 3/6 - I think most people would switch over without a fight, those who didn't would be fine dropping back to 2/4, and the game could be a little better of a stepping stone to people considering climbing the limit game pyramid. 3/6 to 10/20 is a huge jump in stakes, made even worse by the fact that the two games play so differently.

If you are going to regularly spread 4/8, I hope you will encourage (or force) the players to use all one dollar chips like they do in the 4/8 games in California. It creates a faster game, and a lot more action than allowing players to use 5 dollar chips. I used to occasionally play the 4/8 at the Tropicana, and it killed me when 7 people would limp in preflop with a $5 chip, and the dealer had to MAKE CHANGE FOR EVERY SINGLE PLAYER. ARGGH!

I think I have to side with Rob here on both points. Even though currently, the 2-4 and 3-6 exist well, I think adding 4-8 would be too much. 2-4 and 4-8, played with white chips would be a good game.

Actually, I think that 4-8 and 6-12 would be a great combo. In order for that to work, you would need $2 chips for the 6-12, however.

It remans to be seen if Stan the Magician can pull off 3-6 and 4-8 in the same room

How about 4-8 O8 with a half or full kill?

I'm unsure if that will work. The 10/20 O8 game seems to have difficulty going off lately. Having a lower limit O8 game might hurt the 10/20 game significantly.

There is a 5/10 O8 game available on the list, but there is no interest in it.

can we get a 5/10 pink chips on sat?

i think spreading more limits is awesome IF all the games are constantly full...and isn't that always the issue

The 4-8 game is more of a weekend game. The 2-4 and 3-6 is everyday.

Stan

Yes, i was off Monday. See you next time.

Stan

With any luck the usual players from the 10/20 O8 game will crawl back under the rocks from where they came and we will be able to get a nicer, more enjoyable game. I am very glad they are having a hard time getting a game together.

I am a big advocate to big any mixed game below 10/20 esspecially the pink chip game. It usually keeps the annoying nits away when it is a mixed game.

4-8 should absolutely be played with white chips for all the reasons above. Would love to see the 4-8 replace the 3-6 to strengthen the 4-8. Agreed, most people really can not jump from 3-6 to 10-20, those games are night and day.

Also, want to put in my vote for the pink chip game, any of them, loved them all, I guess it was in the late summer/fall of 2008 or 2009 when they first promoted it? I can't recall now, but I do recall heading down just to play those, then they died, very sad.

Why don't we convert the 10/20 to a pink game? Maybe start off slowly with something like "Pink Thursdays" where everyone is encouraged to buy in with pink chips and see how it goes.

lol 10/20 in pink would be annoying

Tried that... not so well. First, there is the time vs. rake issue. Stan did it both ways, to see which would be more accepted. Neither worked. We tried all flavors of Pink, HE HE/O8/HOE, you name it it. The game just can't grow legs. I think it is because of the current limit game structures.

Maybe time for some radical thinking Stan... reinvent the room again.

Limit games:

2/4 HE - must play with all whites.
4/8 HE - must play with all whites.
4/8 O8 full/half kill - again, all whites.
4/8 half HE/half O8 - white chips
4/8 Mixed Games - white chips.

Same line up as above, only with Pink.

Kill the 10/20 and replace with 15/30.
Kill the 20/40 and make 30/60.

Never gonna happen - but, it's a radical thought.

^^^ I'd be down for that. 10/20 is such a boring game. Pink & 15/30 ftw!

Borgata doesn't need an overhaul of the limit games. They were going very strong last weekend and there is no need to blow up the existing structure. I am aware that the pink games didn't last long but those were tried at 7.50/15. I am suggesting just changing the chips in the existing 10/20 LHE game for ***** and giggles once a week or month. If it is popular, expand it a little more. Those racks of pink chips are gathering dust anyway.

I didn't say they needed overhauling. Sometimes, change is good - because it's different. Who knows if the room would be even more busy, if things changed.

One definition of insanity: Doing the same things over & over again, each time expecting a different result

You didn't use the word "overhaul" but your post suggested changing every single limit game.

Overhaul in the sense that things are broken - no.

Changing every single limit structure - yes.

So if that = overhaul, then overhaul it is.

What's the worse that could happen? People don't go for it? You could always "overhaul" back to the way it is today.

The problem with some of these changes is that some of the games are pretty fragile and will not stand up to much change. I doubt there are enough O8 players to sustain two stake levels at or below 15/30, even on weekends, though an attempt to promote 4/8 O8 FK might work.

It might make sense for any changes to take place near the beginning of summer, when the traffic is increasing to try to develop new regular games then. Changes now might cannibalize some existing stakes and hurt games that barely have enough people to run.