I have shot >100 and made 2+ birdies several times I am sure. In these instances it was surely part of a poor round and not a good one. If you are inconsistent off the tee it is easy to have super high variance on both a hole to hole basis and round by round basis.

? makes no sense. what ever type of swing you have, a hybrid should make it easier to hit the ball. if you hit irons good becuz you hit down on it, then hybrid is even easier to hit. if you are not good with irons because you swing up on the ball(most amatuers) then its still good for you because you will have better results with a sweeping hit using a hybrid over an iron.

I recently shot 101 with 2 birdies. SICK READ WOULD READ AGAIN BRO.

And ship_this or some actual GOOD golfer would probably say the same about you. It's all relative. Good golfers would look at your bag and probably laugh at your set up. And laugh hysterically at you firing at sucker flags like you are good. It's all relative bro.

me2. recorded it and everything too. only really usefull thing i took away was posture on long putts. they need have him do a special on putting in general. maybe an hour long show without the host.

Considering my low round is a 64 I have played golf before. Wanna prop bet on what people would think of my bag set up? Id bet you whatever you would like on this one.

Yeah let's prop bet on what Tiger Woods thinks of your game management. He'd probably die laughing while watching you attempt shots you shouldn't be even considering attempting.

I'm gonna go buy a 0-iron and film myself hitting them at the range just to piss you guys off since you're so concerned.

I don't give a damn what clubs you hit but massive LOLs at telling me to play with 13 clubs instead of 14. As if that makes ANY ****ing sense whatsoever.

Hey my best club is my driver right now. Maybe I should just carry the driver and hit everything with driver and leave the other 13 clubs at home.

ARC you are so ****** stupid, you clearly have missed the point here. What a surprise. NOT

im sure you have but that probably isnt the norm. how many rounds have you played in comparison to the handfull of rounds you had a birdie or 2? one of my good friends has been a 26-27 since ive known him, 15 yearsish. has same attitude about golf as most high handicappers. sure he's had rounds with a birdie or 2. but 9/10 rounds are bunch of doubles, couple triples, one or 2 major blow up holes sprinkled with a couple of pars.

birdie only lowers your score by one. if you have 2 birdies then a whoppin 2 strokes. but suggestions made by some here can lower high handicappers scores by the half dozens. is it more fun to shoot 100 and have a lone birdie, or shoot 83 with half bogies, half pars and maybe a couple doubles?

maybe if you never had a birdie in your life then the former. but after a while those ripped up scorecards with 3 digit totals get pretty old.

To this point what is the one question everyone asks you?

Is it how many birdies or pars did you have?

or is it:

What did you shoot?

I'm not a 26 or 27, but I make a birdie in probably 40-50% of rounds I play. Not all guys shooting in the 90s play the same. Some have a ceiling of 89 and some can shoot 83 and 98 on the same course on consecutive days. It is certainly not more fun to shoot 89 every round if doing so takes 82 out of the equation completely.

My rounds in the 90s include a few major blowup holes. For instance, the first round I played this year was a 92 and I took a 14 on the first hole. I hadn't picked up a club in about 6 months and hit 5 straight tee shots OB off the tee (and got reprimanded by the marshall for reteeing instead of dropping it near the place I hit the second one out). I hit 2 more OB on the second hole and made a big number there too (I think a triple). Boom, 13 over through 2 and proceeded to play in at 8 over (par 71) through the final 16. I kept hitting driver too and eventually worked it out. Had I left driver at home I would have had a whole lot less fun.

Also, for a player like me to shoot 83 I have to hit driver off the tee. However, hitting driver is also where I am likely to lose the most strokes. It is a paradox in that my lowest scores wouldn't be possible without driver, but my highest ones would never occur if I played it safe.

If I took 3 iron off the tee to improve my score I would certainly get the score down, but I don't think it would be as much fun since there is no way I could hit enough good long or mid irons into greens to actually make 8-10 pars and thus I would just settle at 86-90 with no upside of posting a 38 or something on one side.

i hear "how did you play?" way more often that either of these and the answer has been "terribly" for all but ~5 rounds in the last 8 years.

I don't think anyone is advocating 3iron over driver. At least not in the heated part of this debate. We were saying that a 3i shouldn't be in any 8 and over handicap player's bag.

So you basically just avoid the question, for "How did you play?" really is the same as "What did you shoot?"

Which is dumb because it's obviously better to stock 13 clubs + a 3i than 13 clubs + air.

What don't you get about this?

Another simple math problem that golfers on this forum just can't wrap their head around. Unbelievable.

I forgot one of the guys I am arguing with was one who thought winning match play was easier than winning stroke play because he "plays the game at a high level".

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL. bwslim is basically the Harold Reynolds of golfspeak.

Your argument is basically "you'd be better off hitting the 4iron than the 3iron, even if you come up 10 yards short". This is stupid for a 26 because you could go all the way down the line and say I'd be better off hitting a 7i than 6i, or 9i than 8i. All the way down the line. But as I said, I don't strike any of my clubs particularly purely so opting for a 5i instead of a 4i just isn't going to make any real noticeable difference.

You just don't get it at all. If I was a scratch and could get up and down from almost anywhere, and I hit my 3h pure every time 210+ then yeah there would be no ****ing reason to have a 3i. I'd add another wedge or wood for tee shots or some **** that helps knock a half stroke off my handicap.

Being a 26 this just doesn't ****ing matter until I get my swing correct anyway. You might as well say "You shoot 100 - you would be better off not playing golf and saving your money", which is ****ing ******oville.

fair enough. then "hit fairways" would be a lot better advice than anything else for improving my game 10 shots.

I usually throw my score in there if it is a conversation with someone who has any idea what good or bad is. If its not then its better to describe how it went.

Seriously though, I don't know what advice anyone could give me to improve and have as much fun. Sure my swing should improve, but that is the case for anyone. Strategically, a golfer like me who is wild off the tee is best set by playing the most boring round possible and keeping the ball in play (and that's what I would do if I played someone for meaningful $ in a handicap adjusted setting). However, trying to squeeze out a few strokes better is not fun when the most noticeable mistakes are hitting tee shots OB too frequently.

How would you guys suggest I improve my game given I can play or practice once every other week (due to not having a membership anywhere and time constraints on my schedule/other priorities)? My biggest weaknesses are: wild with the driver, don't have yardages for irons dialed in, and rarely make 8-15 footers. Also, my short game has deteriorated and I usually end up with 6-15 foot putts when missing a green instead of 2-6 footers when I played regularly.

Local Golf club here guy decks another golfer. No it wasn't me telling a guy how Tiger Sucks

http://globalnews.ca/news/811186/wat...ly-apologizes/

This is the thought process ReidLockhart is basically suggesting for a 26:

"I'm about 200 out and I topped my last 2 hybrids off the deck. Give me the 3-iron"
Hypothetical caddy: "But you probably aren't good enough for this club. Here let me give you the 4iron."
"But I'm not great with that club either."
"You're right. Here's a 5i. No wait.. if you're gonna hit a 5i and not reach the green you may as well hit the 6i."
"Yeah - makes sense. Wait, but if I'm going to hit the 6i, I may as well hit the 7i and just try to get up and down for par with a stronger wedge approach."
"Exactly. Here's the 7iron. You know what... just hit the 8i. No, 9i. You're better with the 8 than you are the 7 and you're better with the 9 than you are the 8."
"Dude - you get me, bro! Now that I think about it - hand me that P-wedge. Wedges are easier to control and I am not sacrificing much distance."
"Sure, but **** that. Here's your gap wedge."
"Sweet. I love this club. But not as much as - "
"The SAND WEDGE BABYYYYYY"
Both <laughter>
"YEAH BUDDY gimme that sand wedge broheim."
"Here... here's that sand wedge. And by sand wedge I mean lob wedge."
"Haha, awesome. Lob wedge it is."
"Wait - if you're going to hit lob wedge just take the putter and hammer this ball 100 yards up the fairway."
"True. True. Good call."

This is mega dumb. Leave me alone ffs. I carry a 3i for now - deal with it you miserable sad sacks.

ARC instead of acting like an idiot, why dont you actually read. Everyone is laughing at you because you are failing at comprehending anything here. What we are saying is that it can be much more beneficial to carry 13 clubs if that 14th club gets you in trouble. HOW DA *** CAN YOU NOT SEE THIS?

YOU ARE WRONG SO WRONG


You are also trying to play the well it works for me card but I guarantee you if you hit 10 3 irons, 1 and maybe 1 would actually be good but then again its coming from you so probably 0

well then, my statement doesnt apply to you. a 26 or 27 doesnt shoot in the low 90's. theyre shooting in the high 90's and 100+ regularly. like i said they might have had a few rounds with a birdie but theyre card is gonna be a bunch of doubles or worse.

ARC why don't you post some videos sporto? Unlike you I will actually try and provide some productive dialogue on how you can improve your game. Doubt you would take any advice from someone who clearly knows more about golf than you ever will but ill still try.

How many times in the last 4 rounds did you hit 3iron?

changing the attitude of bolded part would be a start to improving your game. if keeping the ball in play is boring golf then this is not a sport you are going to excel at. if you play so infrequently that practice is impossible, i guess i would just say "tee it up high and let it rip!"

Pretty interesting discussion lol. I took a bucket of balls on the range and hit the 3 iron only about thirty times earlier today, hah @ coincidence itt. **** woods, maybe mine just aren't fitted properly like the rest of my clubs are since I just bought all of this off the shelf @ dicks sporting goods ~5 years ago (ping 5w, ping 3w, taylor made r7 irons 3-p, taylor made r7 driver, cleveland sw). I can hit driver and all my clubs except for my woods with the same consistency. however, once i pull out the wood on fairway or tee shot, it's 30% topped/40% hooked OB/15% weak push right/15% decent-good shot.

F woods. ;(

You don't understand basic math, because every club "gets me into trouble". Using your logic, I should leave all clubs at home other than my driver. DUCY? Because I don't hit any of them well enough for it to make a difference! Yet, you get to carry 14 clubs when you play golf - no matter how bad you are. So I'm going to carry 14 clubs and you can keep on being strangely ANGRY about this.

I seriously don't know why I don't have you on ignore yet.

Here are your contributions day in and day out:

- Tiger this, Tiger that, blah blah Tiger's my bestest player ever. You literally won't even mention a player you are pulling for other than Tiger until the back 9 on Sunday - massive casualfan of you bro.
- Mis-spelling every third word, especially "you're".
- Having a poor logical thought process.
- Ditching arguments after you've gotten obliterated and claiming "Oh I just brushed over some of the posts".
- Throwing out the "I'm good at golf" card routinely.
- Never being funny or interesting.

If not for mucks, leo, and BO, you'd be the worst poster on this forum by far.

There are plenty of people on this forum I listen to - you haven't shown reason yet as to why people should listen to you. Other than HERP DERP I shoot par therefore I'm a qualified PGA teaching professional. Seriously, the way you talked about match play being easier than stroke play and used the "I play competitive golf" card is basically all I need to know about your ability to teach people anything other than how to be abrasive and steadfastly wrong and pompous all at once.

People in SE used to post like this about baseball 10 years ago before the SABR crusade rendered them all as dumb as they were.

ARC you are basically saying you dont hit some clubs better than others and you hit all clubs equally bad. If this is what your saying, I rest my case and feel free to hit 3 irons all day long. If you are getting in trouble with a wedge you are doing something seriously wrong