Ignore.... what the point of that? There's nothing left of these threads after you clog them up with your constant BS. How about exhibiting some common sense once in a while. I'll let others decide what I bring to this forum but not you. It should make you wonder why you're the only poster I have a problem with and I'm sure, no actually I'm dead positive, I'm not the only person who holds this view.

The view that 13 is greater than 14? Cool view bro. Es una vista buena, Senor.

Indeed I would. The vast majority of the time I would be better off hitting 4 iron off the tee than driver. Unfortunately I occasionally pure a driver so I keep trying.

Never once did I argue 14 wouldnt be greater than 13 for a pro. I just dont believe there would be that big of scoring difference. If the club limit were removed, there is 0 chance pros are carrying like 40 clubs. NXT argument is improved gapping is a huge advantage so I assume he would want every club to be within a degree of each other so realistically Im guessing hes advocating for like 50 clubs or so which I think would be pretty lol

Of course pros would shoot lower scores with more clubs. At some point there would be a point of completely diminished returns but yeah 15>14, etc.

But these are highly skilled players. The same correlation does not apply IMO for high handicappers. My argument simply was a high handicapper would shoot lower scores without those clubs in the bag. They simply don't have the swing mechanics to hit those clubs with any degree of consistency. My belief is when they are say 175+ they would shoot lower scores hitting 6-7 I then wedging on the green.

If there is some thrill they receive from whacking long irons then have at it. But if they want to shoot better scores then eliminating clubs that are inherently difficult to hit and may put them in spots that excacerbate their skill defecits (bunkers, short siding greens, etc) just makes perfect sense.

And I've never met a player who hits a 3i as well as they hit a 7i so that is BS

bwslim you have no idea what a 26's game looks like. I skull wedges or push them or baby them and leave them in bermuda rough around the green. Same with a 7i I can **** those up, too.

Stop just guessing at how bad players play golf. You don't know what you're talking about.

It's an interesting hypothetical. I would guess that they would want gaps no larger than 2 yards with their wedges. That way, being "between clubs" with their wedges would be an 87 yard shot in which one stock wedge is 88 yards and the other is 86 yards. Being 1 yard long or short leaves you 3 feet of the hole which is pretty much "gimme" range for them.

This is obviously a very simplified way to look at it. I'm not sure how many degrees of loft relates to yardage but I'm pretty sure if they could get their gaps down from 10-15 yards on full shots down to 2 yards they would. The longer, non-scoring clubs aren't going to matter as much but it would still help. Especially as courses are getting longer and distances are getting longer. Look at the driveable par 4 they have this week - it was playing I think 285 yesterday. They called it a "tweener" because it's between the driver and 3w for most players. They are making the players make a club decision on these. If it was 340 then they'd all have an easy decision - driver, grip and rip. But when you are between clubs it would help to have a 2 wood or something (assuming they hit it enough and felt comfortable enough to pull it out of the bag)

Well that is just not the case. On the tour when a hole is 340 and no water right in front and normal conditions you will have players playing anything from a 5I to Driver off the tee. Some guys might be able to get there or close so they use driver the rest will tee off with the club that gets them to their favorite yardage. That could be any from 75 to 120 and hence the difference in the selection of clubs off the tee.

Yeah that's true. Bad example. The point is when you make the golfer choose between clubs it complicates the game for him. Having limitless clubs with very tiny gaps helps a ton.

Well, my 3w is no more accurate that my driver. When I hit either of them well they work great. When I hook it though it gets very ugly with any wood.

He's not guessing. You think good players have never been bad themselves or have zero access to local municipal courses? You're acting like all the good golfers have wrangled up all the 25+ handicaps and put them in some internment camp or something and there's no way 'Mr Private Club' would ever have knowledge of their game.

I used to teach golf. I haven't seen as much as golfdoc or NXT but I've seen a lot of different 'kinds' of golf. Btw I'm on your side with regard to 14 over 13. I was just arguing against your idea that you're as good as you think you are with your long irons

How good do I think I am with it? Please tell me.

If you are intimating that I ever said or thought that I rip it 220 straight every time you are sorely mistaken.

The entire point I'm trying to make is that "Just hit 6/wedge" isn't as good a strategy as you guys are making it sound. Because you are assuming I'm much better with my 6i and wedges than I ACTUALLY AM.

I know how well or bad I hit my clubs, guys. You don't and are just guessing. And the idea that I am better off leaving a club at home is just mind-numbingly stupid.

The "Just hit 6i/wedge" advice could apply to any player here - no matter how good you are. But you would agree that that's not as good a strategy as it sounds.

It's all relative. You guys are talking like I hit my wedges and 6iron not much worse than a scratch, but hit my 3i like a 47 handicap. It's wrong. You are failing to think this through accurately. As if every time I can just hit my 6i totally straight and 150-170 without fail, then hit a pitching wedge to 12 feet and leave myself a legit chance to save par or some bull**** that isn't reality.

you block head they are arguing that you should practice more with your 6-sw and get good with them. they are arguing to stop hitting 3i and practice 6 and lower. However, your right you can continue to swing all of em and brag about how bad you suck, continue to spew ****** advice to other players asking for some. I think everyone now knows how much pride you take on hitting all 14 of the clubs in your bag like ****. we get it your not trying to qualify for your city am, go chop it around get your exercise and stop posting on this forum.

I don't listen to anybody who thinks "you're" is spelled "your". Go work on that then come back. If you are that bad at writing, you likely aren't very intelligent so I'll just keep listening to intelligent people like NXT and golfdoc. It's a pretty quick and dirty method of weeding out who NOT to listen to. Doesn't matter if your handicap is good - you likely aren't intelligent enough to explain what you are doing anyway.

If you +37 handicaps think I'm noticeably better with 6i/P-wedge than I am with 3i/gap wedge you are straight up wrong. That's the point. In almost all cases I'm ending up off the green.

However, that said, I already said there are times when I do lay up. Just because I carry a ****ing club in my bag doesn't mean I grip it and rip it at all opportunities.

No matter WHAT your handicap is, we all have a "worst club" in our bag. If you take it out and leave it at home, you have 13 clubs. You STILL have a "worst club" in your bag. You gonna take that one out, too? When does it stop?

It's ALL RELATIVE, ffs. Know your place on the golf continuum.

Also I love how you jagoffs ignore the fact that my home course is windy as **** and it's beneficial to keep the ball low. **** off.

If you're honestly trying to say that the range of possible results when taking one shot from >200 with your 3i is identical to the range of possible results when hitting 8i+wedge or something like that then you're just simply lying. You probably ARE bad with all of your clubs, but to suggest that you will must just as often and by just as much with a wedge as you would with a 3i is simply a lie to try and prop up your argument. The point of not attempting hero shots with 3i's for high caps is that A. the failure rate of such shots is significantly higher than the failure rate with a more conservative approach, and B. when you DO fail at hero shot attempts the results are much worse than failures of more conservative approaches. If you can't grasp these basic concepts then I don't really know what anyone else can say to you.

PS- the only reason people have mentioned you as someone they would want to tee it up with if they could choose anyone from 2p2 is because you're loony and watching you hack it around the course with your 3i because "I DON'T HIT MY 3I ANY WORSE THAN MY 8I GUYS!!1! I SUCK WITH BOTH!!!" would be pretty high comedy.

God you are ******ed. W/e hit whatever the f u want GL

Yes I will. Thanks. By the way, slim. My playing partner is 62 years old and his handicap is lower than yours. He's given me advice before but he's never said a thing about my long irons or that I shouldn't try them.

Go on being an elitist dickhead though. Throwing around your 2 handicap like we're all impressed. LOL.

thread has been viciously trolled by ARC. rename title to misc/random/arc/bs

that is all.

- a noble viewer

How the f am I elitist? Because I state unequivocally that I know more about golf than a 26 handicap who started watching gold 3 years ago. That's hardly a high hurdle

And for the record I think my index is lol. But I used to play much better and I know I've forgotten more about golf than you will ever know. So color me elitist.

Also just let one argument die. You don't have to have the last dumb word in every single debate.

In before an ARC wall of text.

Let's not forget one thing. I didn't come in here telling people what to hit and why. YOU went on the offensive and used your handicap as evidence as to why. I think it's incredibly rude and dickish to tell someone you don't even know to play golf with 13 clubs.

My home course has a ****load of wind and not much sand or water. A bunch of tall bushes and not many trees. It's highly forgiving in that sense. A big miss with a 3iron is basically a long fade that stays under the wind and deviates 30 yards or whatever - still leaving me a shot to the green almost all cases. When I play a different course with more trees or OB or water I'm defintely more likely to lay up and try to reduce lateral deviation.

Please kindly STFU and stop making useless blanket statements about golf. And throwing your handicap around and making BO-like "forgotten more golf than you'll ever know" bull**** statements that are nothing but negative and destructive.

Leave me alone - go pick on someone else please. Maybe you can find someone else who is impressed by your 2 handicap and you can prove your elitism to them.

Also you should be careful about throwing the word "unequivocally" around when you fought to the bitter end of a LOSING debate about how match play is easier to win than stroke play. You don't know as much about golf as you think. How embarassing to be proven wrong by a 26 handicap.

You are basically Joe Morgan of the golf forum.

GOAT golf troll itt.

Assuming bwslim carries 14 clubs.

There is an extra club in his house somewhere that he's not carrying because it's not one of his 14 most useful clubs to carry.

If he could theoretically add that club to his bag and carry 15 clubs, would he? Or not?

I asked him this earlier and of course he ignored it because it incriminates his stance to the point of being lolworthy.

The answer IS "yes, he should carry that club - even though it would be the worst club in his bag of 15 - it's still better to have 14 clubs PLUS that one than it is to just have the 14 clubs. Only a mouthbreathing idiot would think otherwise."

This should clarify why I carry the 3i instead of air. It's all relative.

If the club hurts him more than it helps him, no he should not carry it. How you continue to fail to grasp this concept I will never know.