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'07-'09 REUNION - REDUX: Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead: Battle of the Minor Characters '07-'09 REUNION - REDUX: Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead: Battle of the Minor Characters

06-28-2020 , 01:37 PM
otherwise, river is the lynch

and i'm fine w/ setting forcing the setup for him to claim, because they only get 1 shot at it, and the wolves will have to decide if its worth trying to keep him alive today vs. having a different wolf counter instead
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06-28-2020 , 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by aaronk56
I didn't like your reaction to coordi's fake claim along with a bad feeling about you without really re-reading anything you had said.

I've almost completely turned around on you now, because of two reasons:

1) you are working hard today; and

2) I remembered that just because I reacted one way to coordi (my reaction lol, fake) not every other villager will react the same way.
of all the unknowns, jonny might be the one i'd least likely vote at must-lynch at this point
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06-28-2020 , 01:40 PM
also, i have a really hard time believing kruze is a villager

posting lolraptors all day...i seriously doubt that was an actual posting restriction, so why do it?

because dustin died as nedry? i don't know why he would be doing that otherwise - maybe just a vanilla wolf tryign to draw attn away from others, i dunno. friggin bizarre
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06-28-2020 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by aaronk56
I didn't like your reaction to coordi's fake claim along with a bad feeling about you without really re-reading anything you had said.

I've almost completely turned around on you now, because of two reasons:

1) you are working hard today; and

2) I remembered that just because I reacted one way to coordi (my reaction lol, fake) not every other villager will react the same way.
thanks, this is a fair take.. while rereading i couldnt help but cringe at how adamant i was.

hindsight makes the day much clearer, and biggerboat, dmk and a bunch of other villagers made a lot of sense going back. my takeaway for future games was that i need to not be so strict in wanting to handle things in a certain way and letting that cloud my judgement on people
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06-28-2020 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by dmk
also, i have a really hard time believing kruze is a villager

posting lolraptors all day...i seriously doubt that was an actual posting restriction, so why do it?

because dustin died as nedry? i don't know why he would be doing that otherwise - maybe just a vanilla wolf tryign to draw attn away from others, i dunno. friggin bizarre
i tried to talk to him some last night and i thought he had some villagery things mixed in but with some time to sleep on it / think on it, his narrative of 'trusting his late game skills and being weird in order to get there' has some big holes.
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06-28-2020 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by jonnyd
i tried to talk to him some last night and i thought he had some villagery things mixed in but with some time to sleep on it / think on it, his narrative of 'trusting his late game skills and being weird in order to get there' has some big holes.
yeah, no, i don't buy that at all
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06-28-2020 , 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by dmk
of all the unknowns, jonny might be the one i'd least likely vote at must-lynch at this point
my hope is that you and the thread can see how our exchange near coordi's maj and your exchange with xnerd are different.. not to mention xnerd hasn't posted once this weekend

i have a feeling it may end up being what tips the scales to my downfall but im doing my best in the meantime to try to solve the game so it doesnt come to that
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06-28-2020 , 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by dmk
yeah, no, i don't buy that at all
in the moment i tried to talk in good faith but some of what he said did seem a bit backwards engineered if that makes sense. idk. hopefully the next few days will clear things up

given the amount of thread consensus it does feel like lots of bussing going on and setting up for endgame. i said it before but i think you had the right idea by keeping your reads close to the vest yesterday
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06-28-2020 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by KruZe
how many wolves are left?
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Originally Posted by KruZe
lol

well I was really feelin it... and it was spicy... so I had to say it

I WANT you to be a villa though... I think your head's been in the game in a villagery way... so there is no way I'm voting you anytime soon. I don't think I recall what your wolf game is even like...

Is your play so far within your wolf range?
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Originally Posted by KruZe
so far I was wrong on Luckbox Inc... but I blame him for that

I was right on coordi and was an early coordi voter (i think i was 3rd person to vote) and didn't change.

I called out river day 1 as having a wolf read on him, so I hope that plays out to be correct.

So my reads haven't really been terrible so far and I'm feelin good bout my reads. I believe villa gonna win this. Most of the villas that flipped I had as villa. I wasn't sure what crackedquads was, they would've been orange on my list today if that woof was still alive.
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Originally Posted by KruZe
I was recently tunneled in Mafia Champion Series 7 by a villager for two days straight, so that's kinda fresh in my mind, YouKnowWho has been tunneling me everyday here, and it feels like it's in a wolfy way compared to how the villager tunneled me in the Mafia game. Almost like he felt it would be easy to mislynch me so he latched onto that idea, and has been doubling down daily as an easy way to not have to really go into reads on other players... as long as he has me to want to lynch, that's all he gonna do lol... wolfy.
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What is your take on YouKnowWho?
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meant to say more about that post ^

i think your explanation of how you wouldn't go on about lynching outside of the claim when the wolf is 1 vote away from being capped makes sense... but on the flip side it could just be a wolf trying to save a wolf bro and not afraid to be wrong

i remember a couple people were kinda pushing for lynching outside the claim, crossnerd comes to mind... and it just kinda seemed laughable from my point of view, that seer claim from coordi was like... not convincing at all lol to me at least...
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Originally Posted by KruZe
think I only voted him once/the day he was killed

I remember people having a wolf lean on coordi early day 1 and I didn't disagree, but I'm not familiar enough with coordis game to really speak up about him at that time.
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Originally Posted by KruZe
YKW is a new player to me, not sure if I've ever been in a game with him before, not sure if he is bussy. And yeah, my style this game has drawn some wtf's but I'm still alive...so no regrets. I'm banking on my late game to shine.

Often when I talk a lot early game, people wanna kill me for some reason, think they just like typing my name or something, so being able to take a more observer approach for the first few days was nice and I hope to make up for it in the coming days.
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Originally Posted by KruZe
are you confident in who you want to vote today?
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Originally Posted by KruZe
I'm glad someone was around to talk to thanks! I'm prolly going sleep soon though so gonna play a couple Rocket League games and cya in the morninnnnnnnnn/afternoonishh. I kinda wish most games had the game open during the night, I like postin more around this time.
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Originally Posted by KruZe
list looks good, I agree with most of it
pretty sure these are all of his posts from overnight

if those are his late game skills...then wut? he really only talks about how his "reads" were mostly right and how YKW is tunneling him. he makes some "conversation" with you, but he never actually does anything. he asks questions, makes a pretty standard list that every single player has already made except without any actual reasoning, and leaves

i don't buy it
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06-28-2020 , 01:52 PM
riverfish facts:

It's been 30 hours and 25 minutes since riverfish last posted. This is, by far, the longest this thread has ever gone without a riverfish post.
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06-28-2020 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by jonnyd
in the moment i tried to talk in good faith but some of what he said did seem a bit backwards engineered if that makes sense. idk. hopefully the next few days will clear things up

given the amount of thread consensus it does feel like lots of bussing going on and setting up for endgame. i said it before but i think you had the right idea by keeping your reads close to the vest yesterday
i honestly think the wolves are just frozen atm and don't know what to do

if there's an overall consensus that 4 people need to be voted out and they're all wolves, they'll each feel obligated to list them as well and (possibly) need to come up w/ some weird reasons on why they switched on their reads, etc. or, you just don't post and talk about something else? or just say "yeah, obv these are wolves" and move on?
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06-28-2020 , 01:53 PM
Sorry it's actually 27 hours and 28 minutes. Stil a record though.
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06-28-2020 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Kukraprout
riverfish facts:

It's been 30 hours and 25 minutes since riverfish last posted. This is, by far, the longest this thread has ever gone without a riverfish post.
oh, i was 100% sure he was a wolf midway through d3, but i didn't want to press him on that too hard because i thought he'd be more likely to interact w/ others and all. but yeah, there's no doubt in my mind him/crossnerd are the next 2 lynches.

has anyone found a single positive contribution from atakdog? aside from pushing crossnerd when it completely didn't matter at the time?
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06-28-2020 , 01:57 PM
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Sorry it's actually 27 hours and 28 minutes. Stil a record though.
And atakdog hasn't posted since Thursday and crossnerd last post on Friday.
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06-28-2020 , 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Nicholasp27
updated prior coordi wagon based on new info:

shortline!V! - 7: jdalla!V!, dmk!V!, Tokyo!SK!, books!V!, crackedquads!W!, sixfour, riverfish
coordi - 7: Felix, shortline!V!, aaron, biggerboat!V!, mrsd!V!, nich!V!, jonnyd
luckbox!V! - 5: Sun!V!, Kukra!V!, Kruze, coordi!W!, gus

so 5 mins until night and it's tied with luckbox!V! just behind

shorty is villa with 4 villa/sk, 1 wolf and 2 unknown
coordi is unknown with 4 villa and 3 unknowns
luckbox is villa with 2 villa, 1 wolf and 2 unknowns

we'd assume most of the wolves will be on shorty/luck

4 people were on random 1-person votes: atak, crossnerd, luckbox!V!, youknowwho

i'd assume 1 on random, 0-1 on coordi, coordi, 2-3 on shorty, 1-2 on luckbox

felix moves from coordi to shorty for no rand
shorty votes himself

now it's 9-5-5

coordi goes shorty from luckbox to make it 10-5-4
luckbox goes from random jonny vote to coordi to make it 10-6-4


sixfour, river contains 1-2 wolves
kruze, gus contains 1-2
atak, crossnerd, youknowwho contains 0-1
felix, aaron, bigger, jonny contains 0-1


so sixfour/river wagons seems pretty good; unlikely only 1 wolf on shorty on d2
this conclusion is straight garbage imo
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06-28-2020 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by dmk
oh, i was 100% sure he was a wolf midway through d3, but i didn't want to press him on that too hard because i thought he'd be more likely to interact w/ others and all. but yeah, there's no doubt in my mind him/crossnerd are the next 2 lynches.

has anyone found a single positive contribution from atakdog? aside from pushing crossnerd when it completely didn't matter at the time?
i really tried to pay attention to atakdog's posts during my reread

he showed some villagery thought process near eod1 but thats easy to do in small bursts and he still avoided the hell out of the v/v wagons.. seems like it was an awkward situation for him to navigate given that he wasn't around much all day. the was repeated eod2 as well.

im sure he's rooting for an xnerd lynch this weekend so he can come in tomorrow and be like i was right ive been pushing her all game im clear
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06-28-2020 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by jonnyd
i really tried to pay attention to atakdog's posts during my reread

he showed some villagery thought process near eod1 but thats easy to do in small bursts and he still avoided the hell out of the v/v wagons.. seems like it was an awkward situation for him to navigate given that he wasn't around much all day. the was repeated eod2 as well.

im sure he's rooting for an xnerd lynch this weekend so he can come in tomorrow and be like i was right ive been pushing her all game im clear
crossnerd being a wolf means absolutely nothing wrt atak

please, once the clear villager conclave is dead, remember that if atakdog suddenly decides to be the "village leader" in our absence...
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06-28-2020 , 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by dmk
crossnerd being a wolf means absolutely nothing wrt atak

please, once the clear villager conclave is dead, remember that if atakdog suddenly decides to be the "village leader" in our absence...
yea this is a good reminder. do you think there is merit to moving him up the lynch order or since we aren't as sure on him its not worth the potential misfire
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06-28-2020 , 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by dmk
this conclusion is straight garbage imo
ok, maybe i'm being too harsh. maybe its recyclable

but lol at bigger being in one of the bolded lists at the bottom
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06-28-2020 , 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by jonnyd
yea this is a good reminder. do you think there is merit to moving him up the lynch order or since we aren't as sure on him its not worth the potential misfire
I STRONGLY URGE THE VILLAGE TO LYNCH RIVER -> CROSSNERD -> ATAKDOG THE NEXT 3 DAYS

order doesn't really matter, but i feel like we've got a fairly good consensus on the 1st 2 and i don't think i'm going to be able to make a good enough case on atak to lynch him over river/cross today

that said, if my thoughts are worth anything, i hope atak is the next to go after that
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06-28-2020 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Kukraprout
Sorry it's actually 27 hours and 28 minutes. Stil a record though.
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Originally Posted by aaronk56
And atakdog hasn't posted since Thursday and crossnerd last post on Friday.
OK, here's a thought - do we think that all of these are playing quietly as wolves? I find it hard to believe that where the village are seemingly very close to implosion that they'd have all of them keeping shut rather than trying to sew seeds of doubt amongst everyone. I'm not sure what this means in terms of river, if things continue as is, either they're happy with it as we're all wrong on river, or he's not a power role (e.g. at this stage if the wolves have a roleblocker what use is it anyway) that they're happy to off and just try to keep more useful powers alive that might clinch things
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06-28-2020 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by dmk
I STRONGLY URGE THE VILLAGE TO LYNCH RIVER -> CROSSNERD -> ATAKDOG THE NEXT 3 DAYS

order doesn't really matter, but i feel like we've got a fairly good consensus on the 1st 2 and i don't think i'm going to be able to make a good enough case on atak to lynch him over river/cross today

that said, if my thoughts are worth anything, i hope atak is the next to go after that
That's kind of a convenient crosspost - in theory this is fine, but do you really think they all go AFK if they're all wolves in this spot?
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06-28-2020 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by VoraciousMother
Day 1: Automated Votals from #1224 to #1246

Luckbox Inc (7): traz (4), wdcbooks (2), Sun Tzu (8), Birdman10687 (9), aao (6), Nicholasp27 (1), mrs. jonnyd (4)
aao (6): Luckbox Inc (12), jonnyd (8), riverfish1 (0), BobOjedaFan (0), sixfour (0), Crossnerd (0)
JDalla (3): atakdog (7), coordi (4), aaronk56 (5)
atakdog (3): Kukraprout (0), dmk (2), JDalla (2)
coordi (1): biggerboat (0)
crackedquads (1): shortline99 (0)
traz (1): KruZe (0)
dmk (1): Tokyo!! (0)
KruZe (1): YouKnowWho (0)
Not voting (4): crackedquads (4), Felix The Cat (0), gusmahler (0), UNVOTE (0)

Phase ends in 0h10m.

Vote history:
Spoiler:
atakdog (1): JDalla
coordi (1): JDalla
JDalla (1): atakdog
aaronk56 (1): JDalla

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jdalla
including sun's post here beacuse it was the only vote change between the vote count above and YKW's post. this is around 8:52p d1

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Jdalla - villager. Dustin might be in his wolf range but cfding him is straight up ridiculous. Dont like johnny d and aaron much but i guess that will have to wait till tomorrow. If its a choice between aao and Dustin I am going aao, but I think we will he lynching a villager. Kruze or Crossnerd are still my two favorites for wolves - maybe there is tine?
for some reason, i've had YKW as a villager in my head the entire game. just iso'd his posts d1 and there's nothing special in there. he really just pushes kruze all day for fluffing and calls jdalla a villager.

he had an opportunity here to switch to an actual wagon and he didn't. could it be a wolf that knows its v/v/v and just wants to avoid being involved in the mess? def possible

in fact, look at this

Luckbox Inc (7): traz (4), wdcbooks (2), Sun Tzu (8), Birdman10687 (9), aao (6), Nicholasp27 (1), mrs. jonnyd (4)
aao (6): Luckbox Inc (12), jonnyd (8), riverfish1 (0), BobOjedaFan (0), sixfour (0), Crossnerd (0)
JDalla (3): atakdog (7), coordi (4), aaronk56 (5)
atakdog (3): Kukraprout (0), dmk (2), JDalla (2)

atak wagon never gained traction

wolves are going to be hesitant to move around late w/ v/v/v wagons because they might look bad when the lynch reveal happens

final wagons

aao (8): Luckbox Inc (20), jonnyd (13), riverfish1 (0), BobOjedaFan (0), sixfour (0), Crossnerd (0), crackedquads (11), JDalla (6)
JDalla (7): coordi (6), Sun Tzu (11), Nicholasp27 (3), traz (15), wdcbooks (5), aao (10), aaronk56 (7)
atakdog (3): Kukraprout (0), dmk (2), mrs. jonnyd (7)
Luckbox Inc (2): Birdman10687 (14), atakdog (15)

it's worth noting that, in the midst of all this, aao claims angel at 9:00, and atakdog comes in and votes.....dustin
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06-28-2020 , 02:38 PM
good god look how garbage that aao lynch is. makes me wanna puke.
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06-28-2020 , 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by sixfour
That's kind of a convenient crosspost - in theory this is fine, but do you really think they all go AFK if they're all wolves in this spot?
i dunno, one could say you're posting now
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