There are 2 peeks from biggerboat's re-read; Kupra and dmk. Books is the uncountered Village Peacemaker

True. I had a vision of the game being a social thing among old-timers, with a minor side of werewolf. Didn't turn out that way, mostly because of my own life, and I got disengaged. And then I got silenced, but still felt disengaged.


I also got demoralized by the aa0 debacle, and my role in it. Starting the counterwagon didn't go well even though I think i was the right thing to do, and then switching off of it when I saw the claim, onto what I thought was a better choice, was really bad and I assume looked worse. I thought we'd be able to make that one roll even with ten minutes to go but it hadn't gotten enough traction, or so I thought.

The village captains' vote is riverfish.

I thought there was a coordi= wolf peek suggested too. I read the earl;y analyses and they looked compelling — same wording. But as I said, I see no reason to disagree about either villager.


And I books is uncountered, yes, so trusting that seems clear.

fwiw Nich's posts from yesterday seem like vintage village Nich to me, and I don't think he'd bother as a member of a wolf team that's cruising along so well, so I think it's clear he's village too.

a wild crossnerd appears?

Can someone pls give a brief on why riverfish? I had him as strong villa lean earlier because he was wrong on pretty much everything ITT, and wolves just dont do that I think. I really cant read the entire 1.5 days worth of posts so please someone help me out here

I am going to be distracted for most of the next few hours, but I can vote at or near end of day, however the cleared villagers want me to.

Kukra has a pretty succinct case on him yesterday and I had a post on a few things wrt river very close to that in thread. On mobile or I’d link but just search kukra

I reread Felix who had convinced me he was w/w with Riverfish earlier. I no longer have him as a lock wolf. He is either a villager or a wolf who's playing a very good game and putting in a lot of work. Congratulations if you're a wolf, Felix!

Most of his posts are fine. His logic mostly makes sense and he's finding wolves and villagers. Though I cannot entirely shake the feeling that a lot of it is more about advertising that he's doing a lot of work, more than about affecting the course of the game.

Four reasons to keep him on the watchlist (especially if river flips wolf).

1. This post, already mentioned by jonnyd:
This strikes me as something that would catch the attention of a wolf more than of a villager, and it's just a weird reason to clear riverfish.

2. This post:
A bit weird to want credit for the coordi wagon at that point. Coordi hadnt yet flipped wolf, and, as Felix discussed in great details today, he ended up on shortline over coordi.

3. His huge umprompted apologetic post:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=2820

4. I already mentioned this in previous posts: Felix made a big post this morning that had riverfish in his wolf list. I happened to go after riverfish shortly after, and he defended him. He posted a lot of content today but didnt really address riverfish at all, even though he was becoming a hotter and hotter topic and eventually books' vote.


So, in summary, Felix makes a lot of good villagery posts. He also has several moments that strongly ping my wolf radar. I'm not advocating voting him in the immediate future but please keep an eye on him.

Day 4: Automated Votals from #2940 to #2960

riverfish1 (3): KruZe (25), wdcbooks (13), aaronk56 (19)
KruZe (1): Crossnerd (1)
gusmahler (1): sixfour (15)
Felix the Cat (1): gusmahler (12)
UNVOTE (1): dmk (62)
Not voting (8): atakdog (5), Felix the Cat (21), jonnyd (70), Kukraprout (45), Nicholasp27 (16), riverfish1 (12), YouKnowWho (8), UNVOTE (0)

Phase ends in 4h3m. Hammer at 8.

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Reread sixfour. Nothing struck me as particularly good or bad. His posts are fine, but he doesnt have that much of them and they're short. Not a lot to go on. A villager or a wolf could make them. Putting him in the "no clue" category with Crossnerd and Kruze, I guess.

this thread is deader than riverfish.

lol crosswolf <3 can't even say a few words about your vote on me?


as far as my current participation,I basically gave my feel on the state of the game/where players stand in my eyes when I was posting last night, I don't really have any new thoughts at the moment to share, so I'm just keepin an eye on the thread, I'm around though but distracted working on some non game things at the moment.

found it, thanks. It's curious, as some of the same things that Kukra used to build his case, I used in my mind to give river a villa lean earlier, thinking he cant possibly be this wrong the entire game. What I missed and Kukra spotted, is that he was NOT wrong the entire game - the TMI part is really interesting when you see that it was not just once, but multiple times.

I could see river = wolf, but I am not very comfortable because I feel like I am just sheeping instead of making my own analysis. But kukra is clear, so at least I know I am not being manipulated, and if its wrong, its wrong, its wrong, what can you do. unless something happens, I will lock on river at :30 and go to bed, let's talk until then.

YKW: my riverfish posts are just after this one

I missed that you find them. I'll leave for a bit, will come back later and try to give a final guess at the wolf team.

Right now I like dmk's list, and I'm even putting crossnerd before atak given her recent work:

Trying to find the vig in these 3, I'd say it's river>atak>crossnerd. But it doesnt matter after today.

riverfish1 and good night.

do you plan on explaining your d2 posting behavior or not

or d3 or whatever day it was. you know what i mean

I’m here and can vote whenever but figure we should give the cleared more time to share thoughts

Day 4: Automated Votals from #2961 to #2972

riverfish1 (4): KruZe (26), wdcbooks (13), aaronk56 (19), YouKnowWho (10)
KruZe (1): Crossnerd (1)
gusmahler (1): sixfour (15)
Felix the Cat (1): gusmahler (12)
UNVOTE (1): dmk (64)
Not voting (7): atakdog (5), Felix the Cat (21), jonnyd (71), Kukraprout (50), Nicholasp27 (16), riverfish1 (12), UNVOTE (0)

Phase ends in 2h59m. Hammer at 8.

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I am home. It turns out you can shorten a trip by averaging ninety miles an hour for long stretches.

I find the point about Aaron making that last second vote to be so funny because I have intentionally done that twice as a wolf and I was told how villagery it was. That being said I generally find Aaron villagery with the exception of that vote.

My theory is that Atak would post to support a wolf that is really trying to win and so would riverfish. I increasingly think they are all low volume posters. I do see value in having the roleblocker claim now before wolves can craft a believable counter.

Did a little bit last night:

I've been miskilled recently as a villa (mafia champs 7) when I tried to actively solve the game early, mostly my fault because I'm not that great at getting people to follow me/who I push and a lot of the time people end up turning on me and them I'm ded.

I felt it going in that direction day 1 and instead of trying to defend myself in the early game for making bad reads, I decided to have some fun and roleplay a bit and hope that people leave me alone until later when I have more info and can make more informed reads. It worked according to plan, and here I am half raptor, half KruZe, alive. rawwr