no matter what the argument is we are NOT getting anywhere.. Lets think of something we could do to possibly change the situation or help it.

of course. u were waving the red flag and we just didnt listen, i see it all so clearly now

i only wish we would have known ur expertise on this subject years ago... too late now. oh well, ill grab my rifle and camo pants and meet u at base cap to fight the tyrannical overlords as they are in northern africa

feds >>> gaddafi

Got the same email, wasn't sure whether to believe it though.
I am in the EU but am wondering if it is worth moving sites in order to get the fishy US recreational player base.

Also a lot of stuff on here about US players not being able to play any poker site so would need confirmation on that.

I've never say "I told you so," of course, but I surely hope this will help everyone understand the decisions regarding the Reid bill so we can all resume a unified fight for our rights in this matter.

I cashed out a $2500 check on PS last weekend (4/9 or 4/10) and received it from DHL on Friday (4/15, day all this went down). I took it to the bank and deposited it that same day, I didn't even know all this was happening yet. When I looked online friday early evening it was still a pending deposit, and I assumed that it wouldn't even go through. Today, I checked my balance and the whole deposit was a part of my Available balance with no holds or anything.

I am worried that within the next couple days the bank may try to reverse this transaction and take the money away, so I am inclined to go to an atm and withdrawal about as much as I can. Probably 500-1000 as this is pretty much the only money in my account right now.

Would anyone have any knowledge of whether I did this and then the bank tried to reverse my withdrawal, and put me in negative, if I would have a case or what the guidelines would be?

I don't want to end up having a negative balance and then having the bank screw me into paying all the fees, etc associated with it, but it does say that I have the money available to me right now..

stars and tilt are regulated

there is no reason why cheaters can't be prosecuted if there is sufficient evidence and the ability to bring them before a court - I don't see how US regulation would somehow allow chinese DON colluders to be prosecuted. I think you will find that it is virtually impossible to launder money through online poker without the assistance of a bank. and if you have a bank - like eg wachovia - why would you want to mess about with poker? There is no possibility of any us regulation completely preventing (determined and fraudulent) underage players.

Blaming the PPA is beyond stupid. Obviously if the they knew this was coming they would have actively supported the state level bills, NJ in particular. Pointing fingers in any direction at this point is useless and counterproductive.

No, the government's main argument is that the owners of the 3 sites were involved in money laundering and fraud. open and shut case imo

According to a 2+2 poster who is a NY Defense lawyer, this indictment has been around since the fall, it just had been unsealed yesterday.

Stand by for the end of the "idealistic" poker player, and watch the stampede to UB.

I had the same question, but I imagine it's to avoid the possibility of Americans "cashing out" via chip dumping -- or at least to avoid the DOJ arguing that this might be happening, even if the sites were hypothetically fully able to police chip dumping.

Wouldn't mind practicing on one of those 3 sites, think it's okay for USA players to play on them?

this is the best idea i've heard concerning this question. nice work.

there's currently 218 000 people on stars and there seems to be just as many tables going as ever. I feel sorry for the yanks but nothing much will change for the rest of us.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/41/politics/

please

not surprising to me. whenever I sat down at a table 80-90% of the table was filled with non-Americans. This bodes well for the future of poker in general and for when I can convince my company to relocate me to Europe.

Call me a tool call me whatever you want, but I'm on your side. Please try and see the bigger picture here, this is not only the end of online poker, ti's the end of the internet. Which means the end of the information that has always been known to us. Soon all we'll have is fox news and all the other corporate propoganda dribble to be fed.

It's not good people. I come accross as some ranting **** and yeah I'm the first to admit, I am. But come on, where's your pride guys? You're being so badly raped it's untrue. What happened the the big strong Americans? Seriously come on, you're about to get owned on such a huge level that most of the dumb fat happy baseball loving Americans wont even notice it. I'm sure there a few intelligent free thinkers on here who can see what's happening. They're taking your freedom away from you, and soon all of our freedoms will be gone if something doesn't happen soon.

Sorry to be the one that causes fuss and aload of hysteria, it's not my intention, it just pains me to see so many normal decentpeople caught up in the bull**** illusion.

I cashed out 2k on April 1 and the check arrived today. It sounds likely that if I cash it, the check will bounce. Maybe there is some way to check before depositing and paying the bounce fee?

Wait, so you're saying if I get my home game buddies together and go shoot up the local post office we can effect change? If only I'd know a week ago I could still play online poker!

You Britsih ******. We still have more personal freedom than any other country in the world. This will get worked out. It might take awhile, but there's too much money to be had in online poker for it to go away. Now if you'll excuse me I have to go terrorize this dude I saw earlier emerging from a cave. No one should be allowed to have a beard that big.

Hi, everyone. Does anybody know what will happen to online training sites? I run a website that stakes and coaches players...can I still have international members?

No no no! Wait, and please do not withdraw your money. PLEASE do not withdraw. You will be screwed in overdraft fees and the check bouncing. Just wait ~2 weeks IMO.

Send full tilt an email and ask them. Odds are they won't respond, woot customer service, but probably worth a shot.

I had 3 checks lying around from Stars myself, took the smallest of the 3 to the bank today. Will update during the weak if it clears or bounces. My check from Stars is from<deleted>.

LOLOLOLOL!!! Prime fine living breathing example of a ****ing brainwashed idiot.

What personal freedom? Tell me what? Only you in your country believe that, the rest of the world knows what tyranny you're in. I said it earlier, we in the UK know that we're in tyranny and things are taking shape here, but you in the USA are to fat and happy eating your fast food to realise your controlled corporate slaves.

I'm not saying go shoot up your post offices, I'm saying take a ****ing stand and stand up for your rights. Honest to god, you have no freedom NO FREEDOM no vote, no rights no nothing. What right do people have to tell other what to do? If you wanna sit and gamble then so be it, who's to tell you that you can't and then try and prosecute those that step out of line? Honestly, I love you as your a human being who's been tortured and corrupted but get your stupid ****ing head out the clouds my friend.

So poker players should launch a coup d'etat because we have the right to bear arms? Is that what you're saying?

I'm pretty sure you're too stupid for any argument to work on you so i won't. Good luck tying your shoes in the morning.