Is anyone moving to another site such as Bodog, or the Merge network? Is it really safe to put money anywhere right now?

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Dear Poker Player,

We're sure you have heard about the US Federal government indictment of Full Tilt Poker, PokerStars, UB and Absolute Poker by now - read it!

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This is not an add. I left out the sender but this was sent by a rakeback provider only hours after the notice went out.

It's not just taxation, and I really think some players don't appreciate all the implications of unregulated poker.

In addition to tax evasion, unregulated offshore poker means cheaters like russ hamilton and Chinese double or nothing colluders can't be caught and jailed and have their assets seized. It means that organized crime coulde use a poker site to launder money. It means that underage players can sometimes play. It means that states that have laws prohibiting gaming can't enforce them anymore.

There are lots of reasons not having to do with government greed why gaming has long been a strictly regulated industry. And we players benefit from those rules-- ask Doyle Brunson about whether a modern casino game or a Texas underground game 40 years ago is more honest.

Internet poker was always going to be regulated. Yesterday was ugly no doubt, but one of the reasons we needed and need a poker bill is that it could have prevented yesterday from happening. Without one, this was inevitable.

My hat's off to the grinders that can make a living out of it.

I used to play in my spare time (I more or less work for a living) to have a little extra $$$.

This piece of thievery by the US gov't is helping two groups of people. The career minded prosecutors, and the degen losers who feed the winners.

I don't personally care to make the world a better place. People that do, usually F*** things up, much like the SDNY prosecutor. I'm happy living my life, and not destroying the planet or other peoples lives.

People who think like you, and want to help people improve themselves and the world (in your opinion), are the very thing that is wrong with the USA.

Could this be a case for the Supreme Court? It seems like the government's main argument is that Internet Poker is the same thing as Internet Gambling. I know its an age old argument, but it could get interesting seeing some MIT math professors go at it with the government on the issue.

Sorry am I misreading this? We will be able to withdraw funds???? Do they mean after the case is resolved?

Reposting this here since it got moved in NVG and buried in a thread of a completely different subject.

I have read through all the post on what happened yesterday, understand the UIGEA and read over the indictment. My question is this, if this is all over the UIGEA as I understand it, it is about money being put on and taken off. It is not illegal for US players to PLAY the way I understand.
So, pokerstars says in the new popup that not to worry our money is safe (although not holding my breath on getting it soon), why shouldn't we be able to play on money that is already on there, even though we cant deposit or withdrawal (for now I hope).
For instance, I have a few thousand on PS that I keep as a bankroll anyway, couldnt I still be playing on it till the day came that I either go busto or can cash out. My main reason for wondering is cause I am over 80% to supernova and would still be able to work on that without depositing or cashing out.
I just dont see anything in the law, indictment, or press releases saying that we cant play, just move money.
Anyone have an answer for this?

How ever un-popular this may sound seriously wake the **** up you bunch of passive ****ing idiots.

Stop sitting there getting into the bull**** illusion about how ''oh,we should of voted this or that or this'' Your vote count's for absolutely fk all, are you seriously still believing you have a vote?

Corporations run your country, just like they run the rest of the world.

This post is mainly for Americans as you have a chance of revolution, you have the right to bear arms (for now) take a ****ing stand, there is 300 million of you, fight for your rights. Stop being bitched around by a hand full of rich corporate stooges and get your human rights back.

I'm seriously so upset with this whole situation, I am from England and i really feel for every single one of you who has been affected by the take down.

It;s time to realise you've been living a lie, that you country is ran by terrorists and the war on terror is against you, not some beardy man in cave but you as a citizen of the USA and a citizen of the planet.

Get educating yourselves, get wise to it. Don't let these ****ers rule you. We out number these scum bags millions to one, really start going for it now people. Get rid of the false beliefs you have in your once great country and just accept that you're now in a full dictatorship. The rest of the world sees it, why can't you?

Power to you all, I said previously I'm not trying to cause hysteria but you need to stop being shafted by your terrorist scum bag government and take your rights and freedoms back before it's too late.

Feel gangbanged by the US Gov, I pay 18k in taxes, everything in my bank account, then have checks that I cannot cash now, and my funds are frozen, thanks Gov, Im getting good at taking on up the ass

online poker is regulated, it just so happens that regulation is carried out somewhere other than america.

Ummm....yes. If all you can do is play and never move money, then you will 1) have to rely on non-US players to feed your winnings, and 2) never be able to cash out, ever, which kind of negates the reason for playing in the first place.

Really, I don't understand the point of your question. For all intents and purposes, playing on Facebook poker would give you the same end.

You're right. Regulated gaming benefits the players. However, if the gov't couldn't get their cut, they would be more than happy to shut it down. Regulated gaming has no benefit to the gov't if not for the money.

U said it. I vaguely remember reciting something as a kid in school about "land of the free" haha. What a ****ing joke. Our government is horrible, taxation is ridiculous especially in the state im from. You cant smoke where u want, they will try take away restaruants they deem unhealthy, tell us when and where we can take a ****, and how to spend our money that we earn. God bless America and God bless Corporate Greed and Government Strongarming

well it says on PS that to rest assure our funds our safe, implying that at some point in the future we will be able to cashout somehow, so until then couldn't we build upon it? Sorry if I wasnt clear, certainly not talking about playing for fun, just dont see anywhere that says we cant play, just currently cannot move money

while i sympathize with americans over this situation and am pretty pissed off myself, i cant help by giggle at the over use of the words "tyranny" and "arms" and "revolution" the last 24 hours. lol americanaments

op, calm down

You are ******ed. The whole point of being an American is that we can do whatever the **** we want.

And in case you haven't realized, there are people who've made millions of dollars from playing poker. An amount of money, at an age of twenty-something, that they'd never have amassed in their entire working careers. I can tell you right now if I managed to become a multi-millionaire like some of the pre-UIGEA folks did, I'd be doing a hell of a lot more for the world with my millions than I ever could produce in my entire working career plus whatever I would've done with the money I made should I have worked.

But again, that's beside the point. America isn't a cesspool of working drones suited to only "build real value" using their "obvious talent and instinct". You want that? Then go to ****ing China.

They already know all this. Any idiot could've discovered this at any time. Aside from that, FT isn't even allowing withdrawals at the moment. PS allowed me to request an eCheck yesterday, but I doubt it even gets processed. It's going to be a long time before we see our rolls IMO.

I waited about 8 months when NETeller money got seized.

QFT

Post of the ****ing year.

just for lols.
i want to lighten the mood, not offend



please continue

yeah, i dont understand why stars is blocking us players for the same reason as op. Hell my one a year vacation to mexico i would cash out.

Bro, you can tell me to calm down all you want. I've been telling people about this for the past 2 years, no one listened ever. I said stars and the major sites would be siezed by the FED and on will come internet cencorship etc etc. America has the chance to really rise up, your country can bear arms, ours can't. All we do is watch tv and drink tea.

Thanks for posting this logically sound, well thought-out harangue. Its benefit to this forum and the community as a whole cannot be overstated. We'll get right on it.

I argue that saying "I told you so" is blatant ego stroking and doesn't usually help matters. I appreciate your bluntness, and I have a ton of respect for posters you mention. A few more points though.........

1. Just because some of us didn’t do as much as we can, doesn't mean this still wouldn’t have happened. So it’s childish to say "told you so". Regardless there was going to be a black out period and some changes.

2. My original post right before that was literally asking "what can I do to help". So you want me to keep my mouth shut, I don't get it? Kind of an aggressively rude thing for you to say, no?

lulz. Although I agree with your overall sentiment on paper, in reality it doesn't hold much water. Life is nowhere near bad enough for the majority in the US to spark a revolution of any kind. Not saying it won't ever head in that direction eventually..I'm just saying that, currently, things aren't too shabby for the majority, and last time I checked, online poker players are definitely not part of the majority in the US. (I wish that wasn't the case)

No. Compare it to international horse racing pools. You can bet on Australian races, but that's because if a race fixer turns up in EITHER country there is an effective system of punishment and asset seizure.

We will eventually get that with online poker. But we didn't have it in the last decade. The Isle of Man, some Canadian Indian tribe, the governments of China and Russia, etc. didn't offer effective regulation.

No money in D.O.J everyones solid!