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04-16-2011 , 12:43 PM

#726

BPMaR

grinder

Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 486

Interesting link on the possible cause for all this mess
The boy Genius who single handedly took the Online Poker industry out.

http://www.businessinsider.com/boy-g...scandal-2011-4

04-16-2011 , 12:51 PM

#727

Navrark

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 254

Greetings,

I am just hypothesizing here, wondering what would happen if due to the DOJ's actions, that people from Canada, Europe, Australia, Asia, etc., are not able to get their money off FT, PS, etc.. The DOJ is bound and determined to obtain a certain amount of money in fines and to totally shut down these pokersites. If they succeed at doing so and non-Americans lose their money and livelihood because of these actions, could there be any possibility of them taking legal recourse against the DOJ?

I mean, the DOJ has no right to freeze a bank account that contains my money or any other non-Americans money.

Thanks

04-16-2011 , 12:52 PM

#728

aixelsyd

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 587

quick answer - won't work

long answer - research jurisdiction, standing, governmental immunity, prosecution immunity

04-16-2011 , 12:53 PM

#729

SoCal_Mike

journeyman

Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 299

Quote:

Originally Posted by Navrark

I mean, the DOJ has no right to freeze a bank account that contains my money or any other non-Americans money.

If their request to freeze a bank account in your country is granted then it will be your country that approves that request.

04-16-2011 , 12:54 PM

#730

SpaceGhost

adept

Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,089

called sovereign immunity.

04-16-2011 , 12:56 PM

#731

BarroidBonds

journeyman

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 269

Quote:

Originally Posted by Navrark

Jesus the posts here keep getting dumber and dumber. Yes they have every right to freeze and hold your money if it was obtained through illegal means and you most likely obtained the money from two sites who were operating illegally within the US.

What right do they have to seize the assets of drug dealers?

I can't believe some people are really this naive. Go ahead and sue the DOJ for your $1K, see how that works out for you.

04-16-2011 , 01:02 PM

#732

Navrark

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 254

Quote:

Originally Posted by BarroidBonds

I would love for the DOJ to prove that my money was obtained through illegal means. They couldn't so I have no problem there.

04-16-2011 , 01:09 PM

#733

OMGMileyCyrus

adept

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 749

Cash out and buyins are business as usual on FTP (outside USA residents obv) got my bookers cashout insta as always.

04-16-2011 , 01:14 PM

#734

BarroidBonds

journeyman

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 269

Quote:

Originally Posted by Navrark

I would love for the DOJ to prove that my money was obtained through illegal means. They couldn't so I have no problem there.

It's on a Stars or FTP account right??

/discussion

04-16-2011 , 01:18 PM

#735

crazynip

adept

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,033

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpaceGhost

called sovereign immunity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiXNUaSjXRY

04-16-2011 , 01:22 PM

#736

GoBlues

enthusiast

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 82

Quote:

Originally Posted by BarroidBonds

It's on a Stars or FTP account right??

/discussion

If FTP or Stars received funds from non-US customers through legal channels than it is not /discussion.

04-16-2011 , 01:23 PM

#737

SpaceGhost

adept

Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,089

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoBlues

If FTP or Stars received funds from non-US customers through legal channels than it is not /discussion.

Keep believing that, it might keep you warm at night AFTER the DOJ seizes the accounts those funds are in.

04-16-2011 , 01:26 PM

#738

claudiao

grinder

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 567

if I were ameican I would be freaked out right now

04-16-2011 , 01:28 PM

#739

Guthrie

veteran

Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,911

Remember in "The Godfather" when they knocked out their competition in Las Vegas just before making their move and taking over? Same deal.

There's no longer any need for a blackout period. The foreign competition has been taken out. Now all that remains for the U.S. corporations to do is spread some money around D.C. to get it legalized for them.

It's just business.

04-16-2011 , 01:29 PM

#740

Carpe Dylan

adept

Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,065

Have alot on FTP (nearly 40k). I havent seen any remarks from FTP like the "don not worry, your funds are safe" that PStars has released.

Any thoughts on if players like myself are going to, at some point be able to retrieve our online $? Possibly via check or whatever...

04-16-2011 , 01:34 PM

#741

cowboy.up

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 553

I e-mailed support asking what they thought the best course of action would be - I don't have a ton of money on their site, and have never requested money via a wire before, but that's what I want to do.

How do I go about setting up a wire transfer?

04-16-2011 , 01:37 PM

#742

txbarbarossa

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 430

This is a horrible event, but this had to happen to get the real legalization push. Now it will be no holds barred to legalize and regulate online poker. Which imho is good b/c the online poker status quo was crap anyway with basically nothing but nits.

04-16-2011 , 01:39 PM

#743

VaporTrail

enthusiast

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 53

It's not over....I mean yea we can't play at the two best sites anymore...but there are other sites out there you can play at....I'm playing right now at Pokerworld

04-16-2011 , 01:40 PM

#744

gnvsnnkv

old hand

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,455

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carpe Dylan

There HAVE been remarks about not worrying etc. (incl. officially) But I can't see how this can guarantee anything, since they wouldn't come out and say "you're ****'d". But according to the huge majority of solid ppl, chances are looking ok...

04-16-2011 , 01:40 PM

#745

nightwriter

stranger

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 1

Anyone have any thoughts as to what, if anything, might happen to individual players, especially in Washington State? Are their names going to be revealed somehow and action taken against them?

04-16-2011 , 01:42 PM

#746

wsgambler

stranger

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 5

Anyone know what sites us Americans can play on?

04-16-2011 , 01:42 PM

#747

Haupt_234

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 6,097

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carpe Dylan

I'm in the same boat. All we can do is hope and wait....

04-16-2011 , 01:44 PM

#748

glassman

journeyman

Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 281

Quote:

Originally Posted by wsgambler

Anyone know what sites us Americans can play on?

I just played a couple hands on Bodog and Rakebrain already sent me an email saying cake, players only and carbon want all the U.S. business since the shutdown.