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04-16-2011 , 04:36 AM

#576

:::grimReaper:::

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Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,113

Btw, the withdrawal I made earlier today got cancelled. The money is back in my account.

04-16-2011 , 04:40 AM

#577

hard2tel

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 15,750

Quote:

Originally Posted by loK2thabrain

What, exactly, have they done for us?

Well they delayed enforcement of UIGEA for one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by OoLethaLoO

Just imo...doj had to do what they did, you cant get away with bank fraud for billions and expect nothing to happen. Ive lost my way of living as many others have, OF COURSE the doj is going to make moves as they did, and you cant blame them for enforcing them. The main and underlying issue is the insane hypocracy of banning igaming in the first place. It is hypocracy on a nation wide scale and everyone knows it. Until people stand up against this hypocrisy that is allowed to continue and we get strong armed by a government that "knows whats best" is the longer we are complacent to a hypocritical, oppressive system that inches daily towards a ****ing police state. Yes, it took THIS for me to stand up and make my voice heard, after they took the food out of my mouth. Sometimes, it takes straight oppression for people to stand up against it. This is oppression and should NEVER be accepted in a country that calls itself free. This needs to be fought, not just for ipoker players but for anyone who thinks its NOT ok that our government can tell us what to do with our money. If this shut down does not induce serious revolt, then we dont ****ing deserve our own freedom.

Yea they were very stupid with all the fraud stuff. But the decision to stay in the US as the UIGEA took affect is what ultimately did them in I think.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman991

This is worse than being fired. It's like being fired from your job and blacklisted from the entire industry, unable to ever work again.

hmm not quite. It would be like being given the choice of resigning or moving to siberia (Canada :P)

04-16-2011 , 04:40 AM

#578

dvsbmx

newbie

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 33

Well it looks like the players who can play this years SCOOP will have a field day with all the extra money in the prize pools. Theres no way the guarantees will be met without the buyins from US players.

I'd love the play an event that starts sometime at 2:00am central Europe time like SCOOP-05-M, the turbo $109r with $500k guaranteed. I just don't think it would be possible without US players to reach the $500k threshold were Pokerstars wouldn't have to add their money to the prize pool.

For example, the nightly $70k went off tonight with only 1102 players which is only $55,100, leaving stars to pick up the $14,900.

I wonder if the guarantees will be adjusted.

04-16-2011 , 04:41 AM

#579

codewizard

enthusiast

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 58

Quote:

Originally Posted by :::grimReaper:::

I can log on to FT. I don't know what you mean by "update." Though there was one a couple of days ago.

After the news broke both PS and FTP updated to block US play.

04-16-2011 , 04:42 AM

#580

Jacob_Gilliam

banned

Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,782

Also they have no payment processors in the states anymore.

04-16-2011 , 04:46 AM

#581

hard2tel

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 15,750

I'm sure they will lower the guarantees.

04-16-2011 , 04:47 AM

#582

PokerXanadu

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Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 10,583

I wonder how this will affect the rest of poker industry in the US. How long until the TV shows disappear since so much of the advertising money comes from the Ipoker sites? What will happen to WSOP participation if the online grinders don't have money to play and there aren't any online seat winners? Without TV coverage and large WSOP fields, will interest in poker in general dry up in the US?

04-16-2011 , 04:50 AM

#583

ItTheAnd

old hand

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,618

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lego05

Maybe a somewhat interesting article about the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York:

(Note that he has "a strong sense of right and wrong.")

http://www.wnyc.org/articles/wnyc-ne...le-prosecutor/

I have never heard more absurd reporting.

We are just another group of victims from Preet Bharara's crusade to "do the right thing".

Last edited by ItTheAnd; 04-16-2011 at 05:05 AM.

04-16-2011 , 04:51 AM

#584

TheGame1020

grinder

Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 669

Does full tilt still auto log you out after a few hours? I'm remember it used to do this but I'm not sure if it still does. I'm it does I'm not sleeping if it does for a few days lol, anyone have any knowledge of this?

04-16-2011 , 04:53 AM

#585

SugoGosu

journeyman

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 232

Quote:

Originally Posted by codewizard

After the news broke both PS and FTP updated to block US play.

I am still grinding away, i shall be the last american to play on FTP

04-16-2011 , 05:00 AM

#586

Jonaspublius

veteran

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,182

Quote:

Originally Posted by PokerXanadu

Maybe by Monday people will care. NBC, ESPN, Vegas, the "pros".....no one, 2p2, the sites, the PPA took it seriously until yesterday. But, the response seems defeatist, so maybe we will all just disappear to the overpasses with signs
saying out of work grinder, please help.

04-16-2011 , 05:03 AM

#587

ljfe

centurion

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 167

Quote:

Originally Posted by SugoGosu

I am still grinding away, i shall be the last american to play on FTP

going down with tha ship eh?

04-16-2011 , 05:03 AM

#588

:::grimReaper:::

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Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,113

Quote:

Originally Posted by SugoGosu

I am still grinding away, i shall be the last american to play on FTP

Play money is softer.

04-16-2011 , 05:04 AM

#589

FemFelliniLion

newbie

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 45

Quote:

Originally Posted by mpethybridge

This theory has got to die. It is not the case.

There are two facts about this seizure that a lot of people are missing:

1. It is just the latest in a long string of seizures and prosecutions initiated against online gambling and internet poker by the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York.

2. The seizures by the US Attorney in the SDNY are not official or national DOJ policy. This is a campaign being waged against internet gambling and poker by one (lunatic, self-aggrandizing) federal prosecutor in New York. That office a. operates, as all US Attorneys operate, essentially without supervision from DC, and b. has been behind all of the seizures.

So when you say that maybe this is clearing the path for the Vegas casinos to enter the online market, you're assuming that there is some reason a federal prosecutor in New York would bring to bear all of the resources of his office to hook up Harrah's. It's crazy.

This didn't happen out of the blue--this prosecutor's office has been doing stuff like this for years. Most of you just never noticed because it never personally affected you before today.

The reason that this seizure seems out of step with other developments (the introduction of legislation on capitol hill, the Wynn/stars partnership, etc.) is simply because the USA for SDNY is operating independently of Washington.

So what can we do to stomp on these sociopathic mouthbreathing overachieving dolts?

04-16-2011 , 05:05 AM

#590

Throkk

enthusiast

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 61

What is Preet Bharara's angle in all this and why does every action of this type originate from the Southern District of NY?

Btw, US players can still play overseas by going through a proxy, preferably a commercial one. So far as foreign bank accounts go, some paperwork hassle but no real obstacle there either. If you really, really want to play, get set up with a foreign bank account. It's a good insurance policy anyway, there are people who did this in the weeks following UIGEA.

****ing SDNY...

04-16-2011 , 05:06 AM

#591

viking1

adept

Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 911

Im in Europe , let me cash out PLEASE!!!!!

04-16-2011 , 05:09 AM

#592

1up

centurion

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 134

how will us europeans manage to ship the monies without all the american fish.

Im crushed!

04-16-2011 , 05:13 AM

#593

j4k3b

journeyman

Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 372

How were they able to do what they did today now and not before?

04-16-2011 , 05:13 AM

#594

sluggger5x

John Connor of poker

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 5,592

If myturn2raise or leapfrog are listening:

Hu4rollz on stars/FTP?

04-16-2011 , 05:20 AM

#595

t_roy

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Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,123

Quote:

Originally Posted by hard2tel

I'm sure they will lower the guarantees.

They def will. The nightly 100k was snap changed to the nightly 50k last night. They won't have a prob doin this for SCOOP.

So my question is, have we all been breaking a law by playing online? Yea, I know the standard response but, um people are being indicted for running an illegal gambling business.

04-16-2011 , 05:24 AM

#596

ljfe

centurion

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 167

Quote:

Originally Posted by t_roy

I think it's more-so the money laundering etc. that they were indicted for.

04-16-2011 , 05:26 AM

#597

CharlesBronson

journeyman

Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 353

Quote:

Originally Posted by j4k3b

How were they able to do what they did today now and not before?

The FBI arrested the Australian wonder kid who is behind a large number of payment processors when this guy traveled to the USA a few months ago.

He gave up the names of everyone in exchange for jail time. Now everyone involved is ******

04-16-2011 , 05:27 AM

#598

SugoGosu

journeyman

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 232

running 12 buyins under EV. man what a day! Just made another pot of coffee. I got this! time to turn this down swing around!

04-16-2011 , 05:38 AM

#599

:::grimReaper:::

veteran

Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,113

I went to class that I forgot was cancelled, true story.

04-16-2011 , 05:39 AM

#600

Throkk

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Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 61

This issue is front-page on Reddit, Hacker News, etc. Another 300-400 comments here:

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2451302

http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/co...nd_pokerstars/

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