true true. probably cause gary has stayed quiet while roseeker seems to be an attention whore. but then again we have to take everything said by roseeker in his apology with a grain of salt. he could have set up this whole scam by himself.

Scamming/lying: scummy, criminal
Harassment/TPing houses: also illegal
Just a FYI, guys.

I'm also annoyed that Gary's taken so much less heat than Ro considering he's an even bigger offender.

You think Gary wouldn't protest if that were the case?

So if you do post personal info, can somebody compile a folder of evidence for this? I've been wanting to visit Hong Kong for a while now, and if I do go I might as well drop off the folder with Gary's or Roseeker's parents imo.

A real crime would get far worse than personal disclosure.

It would have been even more epic had the flop came QTT turn blank and T on the river. One can only imagine what kind of dumping would have been done to recover from that.

Nice try at downplaying a serious question. So who is rongrong? Roseeker has already admitted that the other accounts were complicit in the scam, but they were obvious because they lost money.

All my escrowed money was just sent to the bettors who booked with me.

Don't let these guys hide in the shadows. Theft in gambling circles is largely self-policed and does not appear on a police blotter. This was a failed crime and Google needs to know their real names.

Their future employers, backers, and girlfriends should be given the means to view previous criminal actions.



PM me if you need help setting up an info & deterrent site.

Sick, i was just reading your CornellFiji thread, any updates?

I dont think outing them is a good idea, because it seems like there are some ******ed people in bbv will most likely take this too far.

Op lost his money, any 2+2 rep he had and probably his PS account.

It's not like you have to sign up with your real name on 2+2, so I dont see how knowing their real name would help, it's not like people send ID scans when making prop bets. They can easily make new acc if they wanted to, even if you know their name.

yeeeeeessss admo sighting. you're an expert on this.

anything less than this is a travesty of justice. something also needs to be done to make up for the prison time they would be serving irl.

Thanks, Monk (and sjp). I guess that could possibly be the one good thing to come from all of this. Well, that and hours of entertainment for the masses

- Jeffrey "JGB146" Blake

so we shouldn't out criminals anymore because they might face justice?

who gives a **** about his mediocre 2+2 rep and his busto PS account? he didn't get punished at all for this.

I really doubt somebody on BBV is going to take it too far. The only people who had money invested were the bettors, and it is doubtful they do anything.

Sure they can make a new account, but if poker sites know their names they may be able to blackball them.

NOT outing them seems to be the real crime. You're protecting the wrong people in that case.

Jalex, amazing work, I promised I'd never post in BBV 'cos it's pretty much a black hole, but your work was insane.

Can someone confirm if anything official will be done by 2p2 re this?

IE IP ban moving forwards?

Cliffs







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hopefully this will set an example to ******s in the future to not try **** like this

GG guys

rongrong lost more money than the others fwiw.

also im fairly sure that you have a name in english, and omg op is not only living in ENGLAND but has the username of an english soccer player! also your posts are written in english and so are his! is it possible you are involved here?

Ty Jalex for your work as an independent judge, saved me $400.

As far as what happens to Gary, is he going to be banned from PS?

No time to read all of this, cliffs anyone?

lol, why so defensive Mr Chow? I'm just asking a valid question. Which leads me to question, what has declaring rongrong innocent, got to do with you? Just need to point out to you that Roseeker/Nostalgica went far to defend Gary_Neville. Look what happened there.

btw OP doesn't live in England. But Roseeker does. Google is your friend!

wait a minute...did rongrong lose more money to OP than the others?

They faced no punishment criminally, they are lucky.
When we look at this from a civil angle then in reality they should face some degree of punitive damages i mean really they forfeit the bet, so he lost 2.5K that he initally put up. Doesn't seem like much of a lose, they lost 2+2 cred for their sn, that is it that is very little to lose for trying to defraud people out of money. They will be on full tilt in no time, they will be on the euro sites in no time. Remorse, is great, but the courts show mercy on those that confess guilt early, not those that drag it out with non-stop bull**** lying.

Jaxel I think that being the judge this comes down to you. But as a business owner, would you like to be able to find out that at 19, the age of legal adulthood in most areas, a person who is applying for a job with you tried to scam people out of 7.5K? Do you wish that on another company, the fact that they are employing a MAJOR risk and not knowing it, but you had the chance to change that? What about on society the fact that if one of these guys worked at a bank they could do some serious damage to our financial system (See soc-gen, barrons) and could be even bigger liability. Again as a business owner how would you like it if your bank shut down because they hired one of these 2 ass clowns not knowing their past and risks? This **** up of theirs will not show on crimal or credit checks please let other employers know the risk of their potential employees.

Maybe leave the site up for a year or 2, make a decision on the length but they should have their rl names outed along with a picture or 2.

my 2 cents and the other side does bring some good arguments to the table and must be considered.

Some thoughts....(I'm too lazy to go back and quote all the original posts since last night).


1. First off, _I_ never threatened to harrass anyone's family/friends. I'm undecided as far as publishing personal information I have. Seems like lots of other posters already have the same basic information anyway.

2. Gary, what the **** were you thinking not admitting guilt before my deadline? Seriously, there is no excuse that fits here, you were obviously 100% guilty by that point, since you had ADMITTED it.

3. Not that I'd expect a criminal to behave any other way, constantly lying and evading, but I'm pretty pissed that I spent easily 40+ hours on this.

4. Regarding doing something for me, when I posted the original 'I don't want anything', I only had about 8 hours in, and there was no obvious guilt. At this point, and with the outcome, I'm willing to let the bettors do whatever they would like, but I'm not going to solicit it. Ultimately, I was glad to expose this and frankly, once the initial suspicions were raised, it would have been hard to walk away without closure.

5. I'm still very interested to see what Stars' actions are.

6. Regarding rongrong, personally that account still looks very fishy, but I couldn't find conclusive proof, perhaps with them coming clean they'll let us know if that account was involved. BTW, I believe that Stars account is based out of Sweden, not China.

7. How the heck did no one post that he yelled that he had Queens? Especially after what actually happened that hand, lol.

yes.

because casual losing players shouldnt be under attack in a situation where nothing whatsoever implicates them apart from the fact that they are casual losing players.

what do you think happens when he vanity searches himself and finds himself accused of being in a scam? what do you think he tells his friends and community?

its stuff like this that is why the games are getting harder. because casual players dont want to become involved in **** like this.