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03-31-2010
, 05:34 AM
BBV police wins , jalex is pure ownage.
also lol at people feeling bad for guys caught cheating , is not angle shooting or something : is just stealing.
now /thread
also lol at people feeling bad for guys caught cheating , is not angle shooting or something : is just stealing.
now /thread
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03-31-2010
, 05:39 AM
03-31-2010
, 05:48 AM
03-31-2010
, 06:12 AM
The truth comes out at last, where are all the morons now who were putting this down to coincidence when it was about as obvious as you'll ever get that cheating occurred.
I kind of thought that putting their personal info out there is a bit too much....but then I asked myself if I was one of the people that had bet on this prop and I stood to be scammed out of 2 or 3K how would I feel?? I know exactly how I would feel - I would want maximum punishement for the guys who tried to steal several K of my hard earned cash. I have zero sympathy for thieves who feel 'sorry' after they get caught. These scumbags would now be sitting with an extra 8K+ of 2+2 members' cash in their accounts if their scam had've worked out.
While I appreciate gary and roseeker coming in and giving full disclosure on how everything happened, I don't for a second believe they are remorseful that they tried to steal 7 or 8K (not sure of the exact amount) from 2+2 community members. I have to laugh at the posters who've responded after their replies and are saying stuff like 'oh he seems remorseful', 'they appear repentant'. You are just eating up more BS from scumbags who are confirmed compulsive liars. As with all thieves, the only thing they are in fact feeling bad about is getting caught. Where was their remorse during the 10 days following the bet where they lied non-stop - this was a scam in itself. They didn't give two f*cks about the people they were ripping off during this period, they were just concerned with riding it out and hoping that when stars investigation came back inconclusive they would get away with it. Now that stars has found them guilty they are in here 'apologizing' because they want to lessen their punishment. Do you honestly believe they are disclosing this info out of a sense of remorse??!? They obviously sat down and decided this was the best way to minimize the punishment. Open your eyes people. Acting as if they care about the hurt they were prepared to inflict upon the bettors. In truth they don't give two f*cks, they are faaarr more concerned with their own situation.
As someone else said, if they had've won the bet do you think they would've shipped the money back to the bettors considering they were so remorseful over stealing from them....gimme a break
This is just more RoSeeker BS. It's the exact same emotional blackmail that someone people use in a relationship when a partner is about to walk out on them - 'oh im depressed, i cant live without you, ill top myself if you leave'. It usually works too and guilts the person into staying until eventually they realise the other person is FoS and that they shouldn't allowed themselves to be blackmailed into not taking the correct course of action.
I'm sure nearly all criminals who get sentenced to jail feel suicidal before they go in, does that mean they should get let off? And the punishment at stake here is trivial compared to doing jail time - if they stole 8K IRL they would have a much bigger problem on their hands. They would be looking at getting ass-raped daily in jail and having a permanent criminal record.
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jalex already gave these guys multiple opportunities to come forward. He put it bold red writing to highlight the importance of this offer. So these scumbags had multiple chances to come forward and admit the truth, how surprising they chose not to when they feel so bad about the taking the bettors hard earned cash.... But they chose to straight out lie over a period of several days and try and ride out the wave in the hope that stars wouldn't declare them guilty and they would get away with it....they chose to go down that route of their own accord and they had a window of opportunity of several days to choose the honorable course of action.
It's bad enough that the poker world is so unregulated, the rare times that cheating is actually uncovered the cheaters should face harsh punishment to discourage other people from cheating in future. I mean what kind of precedent is it setting when you start showing undeserved mercy to lying scumbag cheaters - it certainly isn't going to act as a deterrent to other scumbags.
Courts apply leniency to guys who admit guilt, not to guys who try every trick in the book to get off. Gary and roseeker can't have it both ways, if they had've come clean it would've acted as mitigation and they would now be in the position where they would lose the bet/stars accounts/2+2 accounts but their personal info would not be disclosed. Not coming clean in the hope of getting away with it serves as aggravation and they should definitely have their info posted. These pr*cks tried to scam 8K(what is the correct figure?) from the 2+2 community and lied about it afterwards for a period of 10 days in the hope they would get away with it. No mercy for scumbags.
Suggestion: The only other option I see to having personal info outed is to pay a financial penalty. For example pay the bettors double on their bets. That is as much leniency as I could stomach. I actually think they should be paying more than double in all fairness if the punishment is to fit the crime. I think this is the most reasonable alternative punishment that can be applied out and it's a 'win-win' for all concerned - scumbags avoid having personal info posted, bettors get proper compensation for gary and roseekers 'hidden EV', harsh but fair punishment meted out on lying cheats. There would need to be some discussion over the actual compensation figure to be paid tho.
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the more i think about it, your names should definitely be posted. but i wonder if you can post it for like a period of 2 years or something. if anyone harasses your family, they are idiots and you should call the police. None of the bettors are going to contact your family I doubt. I think you are more worried about your family finding this out and being embarrassed. Well if you stole 10K from work and went to jail, they would find out...so...tough.
While I appreciate gary and roseeker coming in and giving full disclosure on how everything happened, I don't for a second believe they are remorseful that they tried to steal 7 or 8K (not sure of the exact amount) from 2+2 community members. I have to laugh at the posters who've responded after their replies and are saying stuff like 'oh he seems remorseful', 'they appear repentant'. You are just eating up more BS from scumbags who are confirmed compulsive liars. As with all thieves, the only thing they are in fact feeling bad about is getting caught. Where was their remorse during the 10 days following the bet where they lied non-stop - this was a scam in itself. They didn't give two f*cks about the people they were ripping off during this period, they were just concerned with riding it out and hoping that when stars investigation came back inconclusive they would get away with it. Now that stars has found them guilty they are in here 'apologizing' because they want to lessen their punishment. Do you honestly believe they are disclosing this info out of a sense of remorse??!? They obviously sat down and decided this was the best way to minimize the punishment. Open your eyes people. Acting as if they care about the hurt they were prepared to inflict upon the bettors. In truth they don't give two f*cks, they are faaarr more concerned with their own situation.
As someone else said, if they had've won the bet do you think they would've shipped the money back to the bettors considering they were so remorseful over stealing from them....gimme a break
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Originally Posted by blacksize
I don't think we need to be piling on him. He's already said he's been having suicidal thoughts(I believe him here) and I'd hate to perhaps be the one who pushes him over the edge.
I'm sure nearly all criminals who get sentenced to jail feel suicidal before they go in, does that mean they should get let off? And the punishment at stake here is trivial compared to doing jail time - if they stole 8K IRL they would have a much bigger problem on their hands. They would be looking at getting ass-raped daily in jail and having a permanent criminal record.
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jalex already gave these guys multiple opportunities to come forward. He put it bold red writing to highlight the importance of this offer. So these scumbags had multiple chances to come forward and admit the truth, how surprising they chose not to when they feel so bad about the taking the bettors hard earned cash
.... But they chose to straight out lie over a period of several days and try and ride out the wave in the hope that stars wouldn't declare them guilty and they would get away with it....they chose to go down that route of their own accord and they had a window of opportunity of several days to choose the honorable course of action. It's bad enough that the poker world is so unregulated, the rare times that cheating is actually uncovered the cheaters should face harsh punishment to discourage other people from cheating in future. I mean what kind of precedent is it setting when you start showing undeserved mercy to lying scumbag cheaters - it certainly isn't going to act as a deterrent to other scumbags.
Courts apply leniency to guys who admit guilt, not to guys who try every trick in the book to get off. Gary and roseeker can't have it both ways, if they had've come clean it would've acted as mitigation and they would now be in the position where they would lose the bet/stars accounts/2+2 accounts but their personal info would not be disclosed. Not coming clean in the hope of getting away with it serves as aggravation and they should definitely have their info posted. These pr*cks tried to scam 8K(what is the correct figure?) from the 2+2 community and lied about it afterwards for a period of 10 days in the hope they would get away with it. No mercy for scumbags.
Suggestion: The only other option I see to having personal info outed is to pay a financial penalty. For example pay the bettors double on their bets. That is as much leniency as I could stomach. I actually think they should be paying more than double in all fairness if the punishment is to fit the crime. I think this is the most reasonable alternative punishment that can be applied out and it's a 'win-win' for all concerned - scumbags avoid having personal info posted, bettors get proper compensation for gary and roseekers 'hidden EV', harsh but fair punishment meted out on lying cheats. There would need to be some discussion over the actual compensation figure to be paid tho.
Last edited by NANONUTS; 03-31-2010 at 06:18 AM.
03-31-2010
, 06:16 AM
03-31-2010
, 06:36 AM
03-31-2010
, 06:45 AM
I dont get it, i aint read the whole thread just got the cliffs bro, btw i train ufc.
03-31-2010
, 06:48 AM
