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03-31-2010
, 09:48 AM
Spent almost all my down time at work reading this thread today and I was really enjoying it... ALMOST at the end of the thread and I could feel my endorphins releasing into a moment of ecstasy and clousure.... and then:
Why god why... now I feel like jumping off a bridge
Why god why... now I feel like jumping off a bridge
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03-31-2010
, 09:49 AM
glad we have people like you around.
03-31-2010
, 09:58 AM
It ruins every thread it posts in.
03-31-2010
, 10:04 AM
03-31-2010
, 10:23 AM
Quote:
The truth comes out at last, where are all the morons now who were putting this down to coincidence when it was about as obvious as you'll ever get that cheating occurred.
I kind of thought that putting their personal info out there is a bit too much....but then I asked myself if I was one of the people that had bet on this prop and I stood to be scammed out of 2 or 3K how would I feel?? I know exactly how I would feel - I would want maximum punishement for the guys who tried to steal several K of my hard earned cash. I have zero sympathy for thieves who feel 'sorry' after they get caught. These scumbags would now be sitting with an extra 8K+ of 2+2 members' cash in their accounts if their scam had've worked out.
While I appreciate gary and roseeker coming in and giving full disclosure on how everything happened, I don't for a second believe they are remorseful that they tried to steal 7 or 8K (not sure of the exact amount) from 2+2 community members. I have to laugh at the posters who've responded after their replies and are saying stuff like 'oh he seems remorseful', 'they appear repentant'. You are just eating up more BS from scumbags who are confirmed compulsive liars. As with all thieves, the only thing they are in fact feeling bad about is getting caught. Where was their remorse during the 10 days following the bet where they lied non-stop - this was a scam in itself. They didn't give two f*cks about the people they were ripping off during this period, they were just concerned with riding it out and hoping that when stars investigation came back inconclusive they would get away with it. Now that stars has found them guilty they are in here 'apologizing' because they want to lessen their punishment. Do you honestly believe they are disclosing this info out of a sense of remorse??!? They obviously sat down and decided this was the best way to minimize the punishment. Open your eyes people. Acting as if they care about the hurt they were prepared to inflict upon the bettors. In truth they don't give two f*cks, they are faaarr more concerned with their own situation.
As someone else said, if they had've won the bet do you think they would've shipped the money back to the bettors considering they were so remorseful over stealing from them....gimme a break
This is just more RoSeeker BS. It's the exact same emotional blackmail that someone people use in a relationship when a partner is about to walk out on them - 'oh im depressed, i cant live without you, ill top myself if you leave'. It usually works too and guilts the person into staying until eventually they realise the other person is FoS and that they shouldn't allowed themselves to be blackmailed into not taking the correct course of action.
I'm sure nearly all criminals who get sentenced to jail feel suicidal before they go in, does that mean they should get let off? And the punishment at stake here is trivial compared to doing jail time - if they stole 8K IRL they would have a much bigger problem on their hands. They would be looking at getting ass-raped daily in jail and having a permanent criminal record.
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jalex already gave these guys multiple opportunities to come forward. He put it bold red writing to highlight the importance of this offer. So these scumbags had multiple chances to come forward and admit the truth, how surprising they chose not to when they feel so bad about the taking the bettors hard earned cash.... But they chose to straight out lie over a period of several days and try and ride out the wave in the hope that stars wouldn't declare them guilty and they would get away with it....they chose to go down that route of their own accord and they had a window of opportunity of several days to choose the honorable course of action.
It's bad enough that the poker world is so unregulated, the rare times that cheating is actually uncovered the cheaters should face harsh punishment to discourage other people from cheating in future. I mean what kind of precedent is it setting when you start showing undeserved mercy to lying scumbag cheaters - it certainly isn't going to act as a deterrent to other scumbags.
Courts apply leniency to guys who admit guilt, not to guys who try every trick in the book to get off. Gary and roseeker can't have it both ways, if they had've come clean it would've acted as mitigation and they would now be in the position where they would lose the bet/stars accounts/2+2 accounts but their personal info would not be disclosed. Not coming clean in the hope of getting away with it serves as aggravation and they should definitely have their info posted. These pr*cks tried to scam 8K(what is the correct figure?) from the 2+2 community and lied about it afterwards for a period of 10 days in the hope they would get away with it. No mercy for scumbags.
Suggestion: The only other option I see to having personal info outed is to pay a financial penalty. For example pay the bettors double on their bets. That is as much leniency as I could stomach. I actually think they should be paying more than double in all fairness if the punishment is to fit the crime. I think this is the most reasonable alternative punishment that can be applied out and it's a 'win-win' for all concerned - scumbags avoid having personal info posted, bettors get proper compensation for gary and roseekers 'hidden EV', harsh but fair punishment meted out on lying cheats. There would need to be some discussion over the actual compensation figure to be paid tho.
I kind of thought that putting their personal info out there is a bit too much....but then I asked myself if I was one of the people that had bet on this prop and I stood to be scammed out of 2 or 3K how would I feel?? I know exactly how I would feel - I would want maximum punishement for the guys who tried to steal several K of my hard earned cash. I have zero sympathy for thieves who feel 'sorry' after they get caught. These scumbags would now be sitting with an extra 8K+ of 2+2 members' cash in their accounts if their scam had've worked out.
While I appreciate gary and roseeker coming in and giving full disclosure on how everything happened, I don't for a second believe they are remorseful that they tried to steal 7 or 8K (not sure of the exact amount) from 2+2 community members. I have to laugh at the posters who've responded after their replies and are saying stuff like 'oh he seems remorseful', 'they appear repentant'. You are just eating up more BS from scumbags who are confirmed compulsive liars. As with all thieves, the only thing they are in fact feeling bad about is getting caught. Where was their remorse during the 10 days following the bet where they lied non-stop - this was a scam in itself. They didn't give two f*cks about the people they were ripping off during this period, they were just concerned with riding it out and hoping that when stars investigation came back inconclusive they would get away with it. Now that stars has found them guilty they are in here 'apologizing' because they want to lessen their punishment. Do you honestly believe they are disclosing this info out of a sense of remorse??!? They obviously sat down and decided this was the best way to minimize the punishment. Open your eyes people. Acting as if they care about the hurt they were prepared to inflict upon the bettors. In truth they don't give two f*cks, they are faaarr more concerned with their own situation.
As someone else said, if they had've won the bet do you think they would've shipped the money back to the bettors considering they were so remorseful over stealing from them....gimme a break
This is just more RoSeeker BS. It's the exact same emotional blackmail that someone people use in a relationship when a partner is about to walk out on them - 'oh im depressed, i cant live without you, ill top myself if you leave'. It usually works too and guilts the person into staying until eventually they realise the other person is FoS and that they shouldn't allowed themselves to be blackmailed into not taking the correct course of action.
I'm sure nearly all criminals who get sentenced to jail feel suicidal before they go in, does that mean they should get let off? And the punishment at stake here is trivial compared to doing jail time - if they stole 8K IRL they would have a much bigger problem on their hands. They would be looking at getting ass-raped daily in jail and having a permanent criminal record.
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jalex already gave these guys multiple opportunities to come forward. He put it bold red writing to highlight the importance of this offer. So these scumbags had multiple chances to come forward and admit the truth, how surprising they chose not to when they feel so bad about the taking the bettors hard earned cash
.... But they chose to straight out lie over a period of several days and try and ride out the wave in the hope that stars wouldn't declare them guilty and they would get away with it....they chose to go down that route of their own accord and they had a window of opportunity of several days to choose the honorable course of action. It's bad enough that the poker world is so unregulated, the rare times that cheating is actually uncovered the cheaters should face harsh punishment to discourage other people from cheating in future. I mean what kind of precedent is it setting when you start showing undeserved mercy to lying scumbag cheaters - it certainly isn't going to act as a deterrent to other scumbags.
Courts apply leniency to guys who admit guilt, not to guys who try every trick in the book to get off. Gary and roseeker can't have it both ways, if they had've come clean it would've acted as mitigation and they would now be in the position where they would lose the bet/stars accounts/2+2 accounts but their personal info would not be disclosed. Not coming clean in the hope of getting away with it serves as aggravation and they should definitely have their info posted. These pr*cks tried to scam 8K(what is the correct figure?) from the 2+2 community and lied about it afterwards for a period of 10 days in the hope they would get away with it. No mercy for scumbags.
Suggestion: The only other option I see to having personal info outed is to pay a financial penalty. For example pay the bettors double on their bets. That is as much leniency as I could stomach. I actually think they should be paying more than double in all fairness if the punishment is to fit the crime. I think this is the most reasonable alternative punishment that can be applied out and it's a 'win-win' for all concerned - scumbags avoid having personal info posted, bettors get proper compensation for gary and roseekers 'hidden EV', harsh but fair punishment meted out on lying cheats. There would need to be some discussion over the actual compensation figure to be paid tho.
THIS THIS THIS.
How can you dumbasses believe the **** they're spewing now that they've been confirmed guilty? They had ****ing 120 hours to admit guilt, and they only do so after a smoking gun and 10 bullets have been discovered. Out their personal info and give the maximum punishment. As poker players, we're unregulated and need to police ourselves; had this happened in real life, he'd be facing jail time and ass rape, as well as getting his personal identity outed.
03-31-2010
, 10:30 AM
03-31-2010
, 10:42 AM
03-31-2010
, 10:43 AM
nice work jalex!
Quote:
Okay here's 'short' cliffnotes (all times posted in my commentary are Eastern):
Obviously this thread involves a prop bet. The prop bettor, Gary_Neville is MilitiaRusha on PokerStars, and over the last 750,000 hands at 1/2nl he is a -0.62 bb/100 winner over those hands. He is down approximately $15-20k this year on PTR. However to be clear, he is pursuing supernova elite, so that doesnt' mean he would be a NET loser with bonuses (disclaimer: I rarely play pokerstars, so I don't undrestand SNE). The 5 days prior to theprop bet, he's down 32 buyins in ~50k hands. He has made posts on 2p2 admitting he is a losing player, but that SNE will make up for it.
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Here's the terms of the prop bet. Initially Gary was NOT going to have a webcam and he had a RL friend serving as escrow. After complaining by the other side, he allowed another escrow and setup a justin.tv account.
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At one point during the prop Gary is up 9 buyins (9:04 PM). However, he starts to lose it back and at 11:41 PM he is down $280 with 1.8k hands to go.
At 12:18 PM, this hand happens:
Gary wins by less than $20. In all, breeezzz lost ~$242 to Gary according to HEM.
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Obviously the thread goes nuts. Here's background information on breeezzz:
1. He posts on 2p2 under breezh4x and seems obviously wanting to work on his game.
2. He is a micro stakes sng grinder, plays like $3 sng's.
3. He has like 30 hands of history at $1/2NL from June of 2009.
4. He has an interesting take on chipdumping:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54.../#post13479166
Another hand vs breeezzz is posted:
Gary has a 5.2% 3bet percentage over the 30k hands, so this is also supicious to the posters/bettors.
At this point, the consensus is to look for new judges, my name is suggested by terp, who is a bettor in the thread. (aside: screw you terp for
getting me involved) BlackIze PM's me asking for help, that's the first I've heard of this prop.
I offer to help, but indicate I'm unwilling to review all 30k hands, but I'll certainly look at suspicious stuff. Sunday night 3/20 we get on AIM and he provides me with cliff notes and my initial thought is that it's just random. Here's the link to that AIM conversation:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1444
So my intent Monday morning is to just do a little googling to make sure nothing seems fishy and then post my support of awarding Gary the bet.
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So, I start to google breeezzz and I find a link to a 2p2 poster named Nostalgica. Information about Nostalgica:
1. He was a coach/video producer on two web sites, and he primarily coaches microstakes SNG's.
2. Nostalgica is a good friend of Gary's in RL.
3. Nostalgica coached breeezzz and was good friends with him too.
4. Nostalgica was VERY active in this thread defending Gary and providing reasoning for breeezzz's play in the T7o hand.
5. It is revealed in the thread that Nostalgica is ALSO posting in the thread under the name RoSeeker; Roseeker is also posting in support of Gary.
A moderator got involved and demanded that he disclose that he was both posters.
Here's the link to my original disclosure of the link between breeezzz and Nostalgica:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=818
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So now this raises red flags, so I decide to take a look at the 86o hand. I filter down Gary's 3bet range over the 30k hands where he's in the blinds
vs cutoff/button. I see TWO hands show up (offsuit garbage) that seem unusual for a 5.2% 3bettor, the 68o vs breeezz and J8o vs a player named StoppedClock. Here's the link to the 3bet graphics: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=838
Information about StoppedClock:
1. NO history at $1/2NL on PTR.
2. Also plays microstakes SNG's.
3. StoppedClock shows more than DOUBLE the number of hands played against gary as anyone else on PTR.
4. StoppedClock lost $367 to Gary according to HEM.
5. A microstakes SNG player instantly sits at 4 tables of $1/2NL to start his first session.
So then I find a link where StoppedClock is ALSO a friend of Nostalgica/RoSeeker! Here's the link:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=849
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So my next step was to look at everyone that lost more than a buyin to Gary. I found ANOTHER player that had no cash game history on PTR (you can
google his name and find MSNL hands from 2007) who also sat with Gary that night and lost more than $800 to Gary. I was NOT able to find a link to
Gary/RoSeeker, but it still seems suspicious. Here's the link to my discussion of this third player:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=866
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So then I review all the hands vs these two new villans (breeezzz only had the two hands, so nothing else to review really)...
vs StoppedClock: There were 17 hands where more than $5 was won/lost by our hero in a hand where StoppedClock was involved. Hero won all but two of
the hands that were heads up between them and those were very small pots:
1. Hero checks down ace high vs Stopped's 44, no post flop action.
2. Hero folds to Stopped's cbet after Stopped opens utg+1.
Here's the link to actual hand histories: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=893
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vs rongrong: There were 28 hands where more than $5 was won/lost by our hero in a hand where Rongrong was involved. Rongrong was playing 75/35. Of the 21 that were heads up, hero won 17.
Here's the link to the actual hand histories: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=901
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This was the extent of my initial posting. Other potentially questionable things:
1. The webcam was apparently setup so that you could not see Gary's laptop screen. At one point someone asked the camera to be turned, and Gary refused saying 'busy'. I personally did not SEE this, so this is from a poster in this thread.
2. Gary offered to redo the prop bet IF HE HAD TO, while maintaining complete innocence.
3. Breeezzz is reading this thread and HAS NOT posted in response to accusations he was involved in chip dumping.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1681
He did respond to a PM from Blackize with the following explanation:
4. Nostalgica / RoSeeker did NOT disclose the extent of his relationship withbreeezzz, he downplayed it.
5. Nostalgica did not post ANYTHING about his relationship with StoppedClock prior to my posting. This in itself might be fine, since that name was not brought up. After my post, he merely wrote her off as an acquaintence from school that they occasionally talked about poker.
6. Gary makes claims of losing pots to StoppedClock, but doesn't post them when asked.
7. Many people call out RoSeeker to provide transfer histories, he does not respond. Gary did post a screen shot of 7 days of Stars history the night after the prop bet without any hesitation.
8. In general (jalexand's opinion here) the involved parties are evasive, and do not cooperate with requests, instead choosing to wait and see how
Stars reacts to this reported activity.
9. Nostalgica's statements about 'watching' breeezzz's play is very suspicious:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1981
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On 3/24, I post asking Nostalgica if he multiaccounts stars, he immediately denies it:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1588
Shortly after that I post conclusive proof he IS multiaccounting Stars. http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1606
Obviously this doesn't have anything directly to do with the prop, but it does go to discrediting RoSeeker. RoSeeker disappears from the thread for a while.
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I post a threat to disclose the personal information I gathered on the suspected parties if they are proven guilty, UNLESS they come forward.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1830
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On 3/26, I get a PM from RoSeeker asserting his innocent again and about how he's scared to reveal stuff to me, I respond to him and publicly that I am willing to post $10,000 in escrow if they allow me to review their transaction histories and other potentially personal details.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=2298
Gary, breeezzz, and StoppedClock (who I doubt reads 2p2) do not respond other than Gary does post that his Stars account is locked. But he doesn't
email them asking for it or offer to give up FTP transfer histories.
There are lots of PM's between RoSeeker and myself about this offer, againthat seem very shady to me. For example:
3/27 - NEW INFORMATION
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On 3/28, RoSeeker admits to transfers with StoppedClock
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=2415
He also forwards me emails from Stars and FTP for his transaction histories on the RoSeeker and Sol Reader accounts. He does this BEFORE I post the
escrow.
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On 3/29, I post the escrow: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=2512
Later that day, we get on teamviewer. He doesn't have his Stars RSA key, so he can't let me view the transaction histories, which was the entire purpose of the teamviewer. Instead, he intended to let me SEE him forwarding the Stars/FTP e-mails instead. I personally do not believe they are doctored, so I tell him not to bother. He does forward me the Nostalgica transaction history while we are on teamviewer.
After that part of the teamviewer, I ask him w/o any warning to show me his instant messenger log with Gary. He tanks forever and refuses. I posted
the chat of the teamviewer session here: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=2561
After the session, he PM'ed me saying he found is RSA key, and we agreed to setup another session on 3/30.
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RoSeeker is also removed as a coach on one of his coaching sites for lying to the admins:
http://grinderschool.com/grinderscho...l-reader.shtml
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While I'm asleep I get a PM from RoSeeker refusing to do the second teamviewer session. I posted it here:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=2661
Okay that should provide cliffnotes to everything that's been disclosed so far, new information coming now. Please let me know if you see any errors.
Obviously this thread involves a prop bet. The prop bettor, Gary_Neville is MilitiaRusha on PokerStars, and over the last 750,000 hands at 1/2nl he is a -0.62 bb/100 winner over those hands. He is down approximately $15-20k this year on PTR. However to be clear, he is pursuing supernova elite, so that doesnt' mean he would be a NET loser with bonuses (disclaimer: I rarely play pokerstars, so I don't undrestand SNE). The 5 days prior to theprop bet, he's down 32 buyins in ~50k hands. He has made posts on 2p2 admitting he is a losing player, but that SNE will make up for it.
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Here's the terms of the prop bet. Initially Gary was NOT going to have a webcam and he had a RL friend serving as escrow. After complaining by the other side, he allowed another escrow and setup a justin.tv account.
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At one point during the prop Gary is up 9 buyins (9:04 PM). However, he starts to lose it back and at 11:41 PM he is down $280 with 1.8k hands to go.
At 12:18 PM, this hand happens:
Gary wins by less than $20. In all, breeezzz lost ~$242 to Gary according to HEM.
*************************************************
Obviously the thread goes nuts. Here's background information on breeezzz:
1. He posts on 2p2 under breezh4x and seems obviously wanting to work on his game.
2. He is a micro stakes sng grinder, plays like $3 sng's.
3. He has like 30 hands of history at $1/2NL from June of 2009.
4. He has an interesting take on chipdumping:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54.../#post13479166
Another hand vs breeezzz is posted:
Gary has a 5.2% 3bet percentage over the 30k hands, so this is also supicious to the posters/bettors.
At this point, the consensus is to look for new judges, my name is suggested by terp, who is a bettor in the thread. (aside: screw you terp for
getting me involved) BlackIze PM's me asking for help, that's the first I've heard of this prop.
I offer to help, but indicate I'm unwilling to review all 30k hands, but I'll certainly look at suspicious stuff. Sunday night 3/20 we get on AIM and he provides me with cliff notes and my initial thought is that it's just random. Here's the link to that AIM conversation:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1444
So my intent Monday morning is to just do a little googling to make sure nothing seems fishy and then post my support of awarding Gary the bet.
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So, I start to google breeezzz and I find a link to a 2p2 poster named Nostalgica. Information about Nostalgica:
1. He was a coach/video producer on two web sites, and he primarily coaches microstakes SNG's.
2. Nostalgica is a good friend of Gary's in RL.
3. Nostalgica coached breeezzz and was good friends with him too.
4. Nostalgica was VERY active in this thread defending Gary and providing reasoning for breeezzz's play in the T7o hand.
5. It is revealed in the thread that Nostalgica is ALSO posting in the thread under the name RoSeeker; Roseeker is also posting in support of Gary.
A moderator got involved and demanded that he disclose that he was both posters.
Here's the link to my original disclosure of the link between breeezzz and Nostalgica:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=818
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So now this raises red flags, so I decide to take a look at the 86o hand. I filter down Gary's 3bet range over the 30k hands where he's in the blinds
vs cutoff/button. I see TWO hands show up (offsuit garbage) that seem unusual for a 5.2% 3bettor, the 68o vs breeezz and J8o vs a player named StoppedClock. Here's the link to the 3bet graphics: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=838
Information about StoppedClock:
1. NO history at $1/2NL on PTR.
2. Also plays microstakes SNG's.
3. StoppedClock shows more than DOUBLE the number of hands played against gary as anyone else on PTR.
4. StoppedClock lost $367 to Gary according to HEM.
5. A microstakes SNG player instantly sits at 4 tables of $1/2NL to start his first session.
So then I find a link where StoppedClock is ALSO a friend of Nostalgica/RoSeeker! Here's the link:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=849
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So my next step was to look at everyone that lost more than a buyin to Gary. I found ANOTHER player that had no cash game history on PTR (you can
google his name and find MSNL hands from 2007) who also sat with Gary that night and lost more than $800 to Gary. I was NOT able to find a link to
Gary/RoSeeker, but it still seems suspicious. Here's the link to my discussion of this third player:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=866
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So then I review all the hands vs these two new villans (breeezzz only had the two hands, so nothing else to review really)...
vs StoppedClock: There were 17 hands where more than $5 was won/lost by our hero in a hand where StoppedClock was involved. Hero won all but two of
the hands that were heads up between them and those were very small pots:
1. Hero checks down ace high vs Stopped's 44, no post flop action.
2. Hero folds to Stopped's cbet after Stopped opens utg+1.
Here's the link to actual hand histories: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=893
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vs rongrong: There were 28 hands where more than $5 was won/lost by our hero in a hand where Rongrong was involved. Rongrong was playing 75/35. Of the 21 that were heads up, hero won 17.
Here's the link to the actual hand histories: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=901
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This was the extent of my initial posting. Other potentially questionable things:
1. The webcam was apparently setup so that you could not see Gary's laptop screen. At one point someone asked the camera to be turned, and Gary refused saying 'busy'. I personally did not SEE this, so this is from a poster in this thread.
2. Gary offered to redo the prop bet IF HE HAD TO, while maintaining complete innocence.
3. Breeezzz is reading this thread and HAS NOT posted in response to accusations he was involved in chip dumping.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1681
He did respond to a PM from Blackize with the following explanation:
4. Nostalgica / RoSeeker did NOT disclose the extent of his relationship withbreeezzz, he downplayed it.
5. Nostalgica did not post ANYTHING about his relationship with StoppedClock prior to my posting. This in itself might be fine, since that name was not brought up. After my post, he merely wrote her off as an acquaintence from school that they occasionally talked about poker.
6. Gary makes claims of losing pots to StoppedClock, but doesn't post them when asked.
7. Many people call out RoSeeker to provide transfer histories, he does not respond. Gary did post a screen shot of 7 days of Stars history the night after the prop bet without any hesitation.
8. In general (jalexand's opinion here) the involved parties are evasive, and do not cooperate with requests, instead choosing to wait and see how
Stars reacts to this reported activity.
9. Nostalgica's statements about 'watching' breeezzz's play is very suspicious:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1981
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On 3/24, I post asking Nostalgica if he multiaccounts stars, he immediately denies it:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1588
Shortly after that I post conclusive proof he IS multiaccounting Stars. http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1606
Obviously this doesn't have anything directly to do with the prop, but it does go to discrediting RoSeeker. RoSeeker disappears from the thread for a while.
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I post a threat to disclose the personal information I gathered on the suspected parties if they are proven guilty, UNLESS they come forward.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1830
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On 3/26, I get a PM from RoSeeker asserting his innocent again and about how he's scared to reveal stuff to me, I respond to him and publicly that I am willing to post $10,000 in escrow if they allow me to review their transaction histories and other potentially personal details.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=2298
Gary, breeezzz, and StoppedClock (who I doubt reads 2p2) do not respond other than Gary does post that his Stars account is locked. But he doesn't
email them asking for it or offer to give up FTP transfer histories.
There are lots of PM's between RoSeeker and myself about this offer, againthat seem very shady to me. For example:
3/27 - NEW INFORMATION
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On 3/28, RoSeeker admits to transfers with StoppedClock
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=2415
He also forwards me emails from Stars and FTP for his transaction histories on the RoSeeker and Sol Reader accounts. He does this BEFORE I post the
escrow.
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On 3/29, I post the escrow: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=2512
Later that day, we get on teamviewer. He doesn't have his Stars RSA key, so he can't let me view the transaction histories, which was the entire purpose of the teamviewer. Instead, he intended to let me SEE him forwarding the Stars/FTP e-mails instead. I personally do not believe they are doctored, so I tell him not to bother. He does forward me the Nostalgica transaction history while we are on teamviewer.
After that part of the teamviewer, I ask him w/o any warning to show me his instant messenger log with Gary. He tanks forever and refuses. I posted
the chat of the teamviewer session here: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=2561
After the session, he PM'ed me saying he found is RSA key, and we agreed to setup another session on 3/30.
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RoSeeker is also removed as a coach on one of his coaching sites for lying to the admins:
http://grinderschool.com/grinderscho...l-reader.shtml
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While I'm asleep I get a PM from RoSeeker refusing to do the second teamviewer session. I posted it here:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=2661
Okay that should provide cliffnotes to everything that's been disclosed so far, new information coming now. Please let me know if you see any errors.
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Okay, Little Boy time:
So, I reviewed RoSeeker's transaction history, here's why I don't think they are doctored, lol.
They show the following transfers to StoppedClock:
On 3/19 at 12:35 AM, RoSeeker sent $800 to StoppedClock.
On 3/19 at 3:50 AM, RoSeeker sent $350 to StoppedClock.
On 3/19 at 9:06 PM, StoppedClock sent $200 to RoSeeker.
On 3/23 at 8:08 AM, StoppedClock sent $99.98 to RoSeeker.
So, let's examine this in detail:
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First, here's RoSeeker's explanation in PM to me:So...he refers to her transaction history with him:
So, now let's get to the interesting stuff:
He claims that he did a online cash for RL cash transaction right AT A CAFE, right?
More interesting stuff:
So, I reviewed RoSeeker's transaction history, here's why I don't think they are doctored, lol.
They show the following transfers to StoppedClock:
On 3/19 at 12:35 AM, RoSeeker sent $800 to StoppedClock.
On 3/19 at 3:50 AM, RoSeeker sent $350 to StoppedClock.
On 3/19 at 9:06 PM, StoppedClock sent $200 to RoSeeker.
On 3/23 at 8:08 AM, StoppedClock sent $99.98 to RoSeeker.
So, let's examine this in detail:
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First, here's RoSeeker's explanation in PM to me:So...he refers to her transaction history with him:
- He sent her $33 on 1/21 at 6:01 PM.
- He RECEIVED $13.76 from her on 3/12 at 8:09 AM.
- He sent her $20 on 3/17 at 10:56 PM.
So, now let's get to the interesting stuff:
He claims that he did a online cash for RL cash transaction right AT A CAFE, right?
- They go to school in England. They really met at 5:35 am at a cafe to swap money on a saturday?
- Why did he transfer MORE to her a few hours later when she still had plenty of money in her account?
- Why did she send money back DAYS after depositing?
- Does someone who starts off deposting $20 and not trusting the site suddenly deposit $800?
More interesting stuff:
- The transfer happens at 12:35 am right?
- StoppedClock sits down at 4 $200nl tables at 12:40 am. Seems like the first thing I'd do after making a big deposit is put 100% of my money in play.
- Why the next transfer? Well, StoppedClock lost some money in that first session, and without it, 'whoever' was playing that account couldn't buy in full at 4+ tables.
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Okay, fatman time:
You guys remember that Gary is RL friends with Barewire, the original suggested escrow right?
Well, this afternoon he PM'ed me that he needed to talk to me.
Here's what happened today:
Barewire was in a class at their university.
Gary is apparently in the same class, and looked for Barewire and came to sit down next to him.
Gary then proceeded to admit that he was guilty. At that point, I had him tell Gary that he had an opportunity to come clean as I stated before and I wouldn't do anything else against him. Gary had until 9 PM EST tonight to come forward. He has not contacted me so far.
GG, cheaters confirmed.
You guys remember that Gary is RL friends with Barewire, the original suggested escrow right?
Well, this afternoon he PM'ed me that he needed to talk to me.
Here's what happened today:
Barewire was in a class at their university.
Gary is apparently in the same class, and looked for Barewire and came to sit down next to him.
Gary then proceeded to admit that he was guilty. At that point, I had him tell Gary that he had an opportunity to come clean as I stated before and I wouldn't do anything else against him. Gary had until 9 PM EST tonight to come forward. He has not contacted me so far.
GG, cheaters confirmed.