There are three different races on earth :white, black and asian(I am not racist it is official science separation) and Gary and Roseeker are both looking like asians and their emotions, moral, behaviour, etc. are different. When Roseeker apologize oneself apology is most likely only formal politeness like "Nice to meet you" to some stranger not more.
I don´t say Roseeker is not pathological cheater or something like that, only readers ITT can stop be marvel at Roseeker´s lies.

Based on the above quote, breez is:
A) Innocent or
B) Guilty

The answer is:


Extra Credit Question:
Jalex took how many licks to get to the center of this tootsie roll pop?
A) 1
B) 2
C) 3
D) Trick Question, Jalex obviously bit the sucker straightaway

The answer is:

Solid reasoning there, champ. Does Texas still have the death penalty? Has anyone ever been wrongly sentenced? Do you agree with all the sentences passed down by your State Judges? Do I agree with all punishment handed out by the Judges in the UK? Do you own a passport? Why am I responding to your ignorance?

Oh and I think gary and Roseeker DO deserve to have their names associated with scamming in some way.

They have shown they are capable of it, and it's the only way it will prevent it happening to some other poor sucker in the future. If we can stop one person being hustled in this way, it would have served its purpose.

I don't think it should be indefinite, however. I think a 4-5 year probationary period would suffice.

If we don't they will disappear, resurface a little while later under a different alias and be free to perform another scam, this time more prepared and for more money. If people do their homework they should know that they ARE THIEVES....

Looks like you missed Zach's entire first paragraph.

You don't think losing their accounts and their funds (which may or may not happen) within said accounts is worse than simply losing the bet?

Not violence, but SPEEDLIMITS' mother was harassed and Brandi Hawbaker killed herself.

lol... do you really think this wouldn't have happened without 2p2? She was mentally unstable.

Starazz, I am genuinely sad that you live in a totalitarian state with a vindictive culture. Most of the world doesn't, and we don't share American right wing religious morality. Our European legal systems have the capacity for redemption and forgiveness. This is one reason why some of us find the vehemence of the desire to punish these two disturbing, and the immaturity of the discussion scary.

We do live in a world where social networking sites and the internet have given us the ability to "out" people to their family, friends and employers. I am suspicious when people want to exercise such awesome power with no empathy for the people affected.

I think that outing them on a steveware like website would be a cruel and unusual punishment and not fitting to the crime. I think a group of intelligent poker players could come up with something less vindictive and more positive as a punishment.

This is why I suggested that Gary should do another prop bet task, if he wins, his profits go to charity - if he loses, his BR goes to charity. If Stars takes his BR and bans him, he will have lost $20k of BR and c$100k+ of expected SNE benefits. I think that's enough. Redemption, social ostracism and at least some charity would benefit from the crime - a positive rather than negative solution.

On the hypothesis that he made it to court in the UK (unlikely) the chance of him being fined $20k would be minimal, and there is no way a failed, unpremeditated, non-violent crime would result in a prison sentence.

FWIW, STTFrs know me well, I'm a British microstakes grinder living in Peru and have absolutely no relationship to the two villains at all, and have never had any communication with them or their dodgy associates.

No I think it would have happened either way (possibly not as quickly), and she brought most of the hate on herself, I'm just saying **** like this can have unpredictable consequences.

+1

the most obvious punishment is just to post their info on 4chan.

You basically just need to write out everything that happened for anyone to consider believing you because you're being extremely vague and the way you phrase things don't make any sense at all.

you tell em bonewane

um... no?

Hear hear, there's only one race - the human race

could someone do cliffz?

hahaha breez's posts are eerily similar to 2 posters in this thread (wait, just one). Seriously, you need to explain exactly what happened and accept the fact that you are partly responsible for what is happening to you.

+1

FYP, PALETIRE

Sorry guys, i'm really worn out over the whole deal. Yes, i'm guilty. I obviously told a few lies for Roseeker. I was kept VERY MUCH in the dark about the whole situation. I'll try to give a bit of an order of how I felt.

1) I log in one morning and nearly all of my money is gone. Roseeker tells me on MSN to chill out and that his friend ****ed something up. I am only slightly suspicious, and accept Roseekers promises to get my money back.

2) Receive PM from prop-bet judge. Discuss this with Roseeker and he tells me what to say. I am still REALLY in the dark at this moment, and I am just trying to figure out what the hell is gone on. Still not sure if Roseeker/Gary cheated, but I decide to help Roseeker out because of our longtime friendship while I try and figure out what's going on.

3) Jalex goes nutso on this thread and pretty much prove to me and everyone else what has happened. During this time I am in intermittent contact with Roseeker. I still have nowhere near the full story, but Jalex has painted a pretty clear picture. Roseeker asked me nicely to simply wait until stars came out with their statement before I posted in this thread. Out of respect for him and our former relationship I told him I would let him and Gary deal with it, and stay out of it completely.

So there it is - obviously I will miss some details here and there but I will try and be as transparent as possible. I had no money in this stake and didn't even know about it until after the cheating occurred. Obviously I wasn't completely open about everything during this entire investigation - but it was pretty obvious was the outcome was going to be after Jalex's first couple of posts.

Put yourselves in my position before you criticize. I have no money on poker other than that which Roseeker has given me, he is a long-time and trusted poker friend, and all of a sudden you wake up one morning and all of this **** has happened. What would you do?

So, in short, I suppose I accept whatever responsibility I deserve. But let me just say this I got the short-end of the stick in this scam. My account is frozen, my reputation is ruined, and I wasn't even getting any money out of it! Bullcrap!

Well said barbedwire.

I would understand if you would stop making comments like the one above.
Seems to me you have no problem with this if it had gone through
successfully.Why else would you state that you didnt even get any money?


Your argument seems fishy as soon as you responded.You pretty much
stated exactly what Roseeker had said about your involvement.
That tells me you are still talking or had been coached as to what to say.
Sorry to say you are ****ed and no amount of explaining would clear you
in this spot.

You really chose a case where the bad guys confessed to make an analogy to wrongful imposition of death penalty cases? Really? (Thanks, Seth and Amy)

Oh, and by the way, I don't require perfection in the administration of criminal justice to believe in the value of the death penalty. The lives it saves far outnumber the lives it costs. The logical extension of the argument that justice must be perfect before it can be delivered can result only in a complete denial of any justice whatsoever--as long as humans remain in charge of its administration.

And this line of reasoning really irks me - an American I assume (not meant badly, this is just a view held by what I'd consider the stereotypical American - Could be an outdated Stereotype). Just because violent people MIGHT have guns doesn't give YOU the right to one. It's not right. It's law enforcements job to apprehend criminals - not you.

Yeah, I realize that, which I was I made joking comments, like the "not getting money" one above. Some of you people need to stop psycho-analyzing posts because it makes you look ****ing stupid.

I haven't been "coached" to say **** - why would I have been? There are full confessions and i've explained why I kept quiet until now.

truckin get lost you have lost your right to post in this thread.