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06-29-2014 , 11:38 PM
I decided to put in the next gear yesterday. Made two very dubious post flop plays. Will definitely start to simulate postflop more. How strong are for example two pairs? Bottom pairs, and open ended straight non-nut draws with a pair (plus some bad low potential) probably don't have enough power to be profitable when fold equity is added, naturally depends on the stacks, blinds and number of players, but... got burned yesterday, must have been lucky earlier. Got a small shock when simulating even against random hands! There are some rules that can be applied even in the hypers. You already knew those hands are bad.

And I'm also into really looking at preflop hand strengths, what to play at different stages of the game and in different situations. Making (short!) lists. For fun naturally

Reading three books simultaneously: Theory of Poker, Moshman's sng and Tenner-Krieger. Only a few pages semi-daily, but anyway. Hoping to get the greater picture, we'll see.

Apfelstrudel can be fascinating too!

Last edited by plaaynde; 06-29-2014 at 11:57 PM.
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06-30-2014 , 10:22 AM
I have only 100 hands on him and he seems to be loser and more agro preflop than your average player.

Do you call here or fold, also in general is this call or fold?

Poker Stars No-Limit Omaha Tournament, 20/40 Blinds, Ante 4

Button (t344)
SB (t1,065)
Hero (BB) (t469)
UTG (t1,122)

[pot 76]

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, 8, 9, 9
UTG raises t1,118, 2 folds, Hero ?
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06-30-2014 , 11:16 AM
Call. You have the ace, double suits, and low potential, if villain would happen to be counterfeited, or heaven forbid, would have no low at all. The nines may come in handy too, even if they generally aren't respected that much in O8.
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06-30-2014 , 03:53 PM
fold.

this is my month btw:
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06-30-2014 , 04:10 PM
ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation[/URL]
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Pot equity Scoops Wins HiTies HiWins Lo Ties Lo
As 8d 9d 9s44.06% 165,528334,6981,05135,85216,567
a2k55.94% 237,674264,2511,051263,85816,567

You're calling with 429. In the pot it's then 469x2+20+16=974. 429/974=0.44. So you need 44% equity to call if guy has A2K...

I'm thinking more in terms of:

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation[/URL]
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Pot equity Scoops Wins HiTies HiWins Lo Ties Lo
As 8d 9d 9s47.61% 186,955343,4806,64342,38126,501
a52.39% 215,914249,8776,643242,11426,501
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06-30-2014 , 04:35 PM
Against biood call, against everyone else fold imo.
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06-30-2014 , 04:47 PM
biood, do you think nobody else but you steals?

Villain tries to steal with crap and is astronomically behind:

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation[/URL]
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Pot equity Scoops Wins HiTies HiWins Lo Ties Lo
As 8d 9d 9s54.92% 239,704360,4104,249110,6588,283
*45.08% 181,311235,3414,249185,9258,283



Big stack's bullying
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just sayin

Last edited by plaaynde; 06-30-2014 at 05:04 PM.
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06-30-2014 , 04:58 PM
i'm realy tight these days
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06-30-2014 , 05:01 PM
nice month biood, why do u hide ur ss stats?
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06-30-2014 , 05:20 PM
I dont see any advantage of showing my results there while its kinda funny when i see people act in table chat like: " you are ****, thats why you hide on ss ". and its probably good for me when people think im bad. BTW: I'm realy a lot tighter these days, would be nice for me and the people who like to call me if they would finally adjust
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06-30-2014 , 05:31 PM
What about your hyper husng ev line, would be interesting seeing that as you results are pretty sick albeit over a small sample.
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06-30-2014 , 05:52 PM
i was running above ev in hu hypers, Cant check now but it was like 2-3k above ev i think. i think its pretty much the same amount im running below in 6m hypers lifetime
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06-30-2014 , 06:11 PM
yeh makes sence i guess, i dont think ur a bad player but ur certainly not tight lol u play pretty std as far as i can see. works tho
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06-30-2014 , 06:30 PM
haha yeah that much was obvious looking at the stats you posted above.
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06-30-2014 , 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by biood1
I dont see any advantage of showing my results there while its kinda funny when i see people act in table chat like: " you are ****, thats why you hide on ss ". and its probably good for me when people think im bad. BTW: I'm realy a lot tighter these days, would be nice for me and the people who like to call me if they would finally adjust

No harm in hiding stats, they don't necessarily give you the full picture. You are far from the worst or widest and, from my POV, juicy and others make many of the same plays you do - utg or FTA shoves with die-hard hands.

I don't hate the play. You could say a 25% hand won't be a huge dog that often 6-handed and you can push players off 15-20% hands with any cards. That's fine with a standard deal and random opponents but vs players prepared to trust their reads or that pick up big hands, without some running you're ****ed.

Seems though you've had some running. At or above EV for 8,500 games???? I think I need a sex piss. I hope you made lots of $s

BTW I fold A 8 8 9 ds to utg shove in that hand Wallhallen posted, even to biood - A 8 isn't a low hand. If you can afford to fold there, fold.
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07-01-2014 , 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by HighTillIDieT4L
A 8 isn't a low hand.
?

That small difference...

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation[/URL]
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Pot equity Scoops Wins HiTies HiWins Lo Ties Lo
As 8d 9d 9s47.34% 188,625340,3963,69648,19317,141
25%52.66% 220,188255,9083,696249,25217,141

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation[/URL]
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Pot equity Scoops Wins HiTies HiWins Lo Ties Lo
As Td 9d 9s44.68% 179,829346,35711,98200
25%55.32% 241,661241,66111,982295,4220

I can even giev you a King

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation[/URL]
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Pot equity Scoops Wins HiTies HiWins Lo Ties Lo
As Kd 9d 9s45.88% 186,437350,92415,84200
25%54.12% 233,234233,23415,842296,4960
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07-01-2014 , 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by HighTillIDieT4L
No harm in hiding stats, they don't necessarily give you the full picture. You are far from the worst or widest and, from my POV, juicy and others make many of the same plays you do - utg or FTA shoves with die-hard hands.

Seems though you've had some running. At or above EV for 8,500 games???? I think I need a sex piss. I hope you made lots of $s
the graph clearly shows that I'm running below EV... btw, the Dif in 6m hypers is about 2k. I just ran good in HU hypers right at the start of the month so that the dif isnt that big in the end of the month. so I am actually running aweful while you keep telling me i am just a rungood. awesome.
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07-01-2014 , 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by biood1
the graph clearly shows that I'm running below EV... btw, the Dif in 6m hypers is about 2k. I just ran good in HU hypers right at the start of the month so that the dif isnt that big in the end of the month. so I am actually running aweful while you keep telling me i am just a rungood. awesome.
apparently every1 is running way above EV apart from him lol
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07-01-2014 , 06:09 AM
its probably same issue as it was with equity topic. he probably thinks like: biood is 3-1 to run good while quantum is like a 3-8 dog to run good. lots of dogs in quantums graph.
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07-01-2014 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by biood1
the graph clearly shows that I'm running below EV... btw, the Dif in 6m hypers is about 2k. I just ran good in HU hypers right at the start of the month so that the dif isnt that big in the end of the month. so I am actually running aweful while you keep telling me i am just a rungood. awesome.
For some of us, running @ EV is but a daydream. To run above EV is pure fantasy.

The graph clearly shows you were at or above EV for 8500 games, then had a slight tail-off. That is still amazing running. If you played that stretch well, you had a license to print money.
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07-01-2014 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by plaaynde
?

That small difference...

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation[/URL]
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Pot equity Scoops Wins HiTies HiWins Lo Ties Lo
As 8d 9d 9s47.34% 188,625340,3963,69648,19317,141
25%52.66% 220,188255,9083,696249,25217,141

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation[/URL]
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Pot equity Scoops Wins HiTies HiWins Lo Ties Lo
As Td 9d 9s44.68% 179,829346,35711,98200
25%55.32% 241,661241,66111,982295,4220

I can even giev you a King

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation[/URL]
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Pot equity Scoops Wins HiTies HiWins Lo Ties Lo
As Kd 9d 9s45.88% 186,437350,92415,84200
25%54.12% 233,234233,23415,842296,4960
Give me matchups vs realistic hands that are shoving utg. How about any combination of A-5 + a suit? Or some 3 4 J Q ds type hand? 2 3 4 5, 3 4 6 7 etc. Even A 6 J Q or A 7 9 K type hands.

Not that many are stupid enough to shove high hands only utg. Against any sort of hand with 3 low cards not including 8s, it's impossible for A 8 to make low without villain making at least 2 pair and/or a better low. A 8 9 9 ds is def NOT a hand to be all-in with pre, even vs complete idiots IMO. I would look at it as a pure high hand and figure I needed to get lucky to scoop. Of course if you are short or you WANT to gamble for scoops only, it's a much more attractive hand.
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07-01-2014 , 05:35 PM
so you are basically telling me that if i run exactly at EV its pretty lucky because its way more likely to run below EV. can someone finally ban him pls?
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07-01-2014 , 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by biood1
so you are basically telling me that if i run exactly at EV its pretty lucky because its way more likely to run below EV. can someone finally ban him pls?
They did. He just created a new account. Even if we had a petition and 90% signed to ban him, they have this little thing called freedom of speech. Ultimately, it is his right to write venemous nonsense against anyone who wins a flip against him apparently. It's just your turn for the invective at the minute. What you need to do is most a graph showing he is massively +ev versus you rather than the other way around, just like juicy did, and it turns bile into compliments. Alternatively, just play 10% of hands and become a nit and respect will be garnered.
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07-01-2014 , 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by streityboy
They did. He just created a new account. Even if we had a petition and 90% signed to ban him, they have this little thing called freedom of speech. Ultimately, it is his right to write venemous nonsense against anyone who wins a flip against him apparently. It's just your turn for the invective at the minute. What you need to do is most a graph showing he is massively +ev versus you rather than the other way around, just like juicy did, and it turns bile into compliments. Alternatively, just play 10% of hands and become a nit and respect will be garnered.
1st to sign said petition pls.

Hats off to him though he's done a grand job in turning the forum into a farce
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07-01-2014 , 09:04 PM
It evens out dude.

You're so weird.
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