Do you have his HHs? What a dumb statement to make. Obviously, he is gonna fold a lot of his weak A23x early on when facing a shove. Even if you think he shoves wide, he's not a moron that calls without thinking. Calling with the hands you did is a huge mistake, even if biood is superwide. You gain nothing by it and by doing this from early position, you're destined to get into trouble.

haha whatever guys.

@ Brunolf - no I don't have his HHs but I have MY HHs from joint games. Considering the density of hands he plays that are worse than (A 2 8) 3, there is no way he lays down that hand with any frequency.

This is what I have learned from Quantums post since he joined 2+2

1. He does not understand variance
2. He does not understand equities
3. He does not understand ICM
4. Even the most standard beats get him upset
5. He does not differentiate between calling and raising when referring to other players ranges.
6. He thinks hes good at poker because he can win at 18 man O8 sngs


The level of play in 18 mans has been a joke since the time hypers were introduced. You want to compare our 18 man stats this year? Probably not

You insult me endlessly for no other reason than I own you everyday. I turned my chat off months ago but I would bet big money you still chat endless nonsense my way every day.

Now you think you are good at MTTs...
What makes you think that?
How many total have you played?
Do you understand mtts are high variance as well?

Also don't pretend like I have never won a slow blinded tournament before. I probably cash in the 5$ rebuy over 50% of the time I play it. I might be a loser in a deep stack cash game but don't act like you wouldn't be a loser in any reasonably staked deep stack cash game either. Who are you trying to fool here.

I refrained from insulting you for a long time on here but you just can't keep my name out of your mouth. I honestly think you are a bit of a joke and have probably ran pretty well in your poker career to put up the results you have despite your constant complaining.

finally somebody is sayin it

amen!

Pretty much spot on jj. I'd prolly add he doesn't understand the relevance and how to calculate pot odds along with equities.

I think he suddenly started bragging about being a good mtt player after he got 5th in a scoop fixed limit $215 event for like $7k or something. Although I did hear him start bragging about his mtt roi because of some 2r 3 x turbo wins lol. But he realised how he is a big time mtt player after shipping the omania 27 nl8. And ft'ing it a bunch of times and getting soooooo unlucky every time. Coz that's a really tough tournament u see.

1 thing I know for sure i'd way rather have him at my table than you in any format I've played. I'd soooo love to see him at a cash table though.

4. The most standard beat replayed 1,000 times by the same idiot would upset anybody.
5. So your shoving range is going to be much wider than calling range but the two are correlated. Position shove-tards are much more likely to call position shoves from other players with a wider range.
6. I hardly win at all at 18 man SnGs.

Why not? Sure, you have "outperformed" me by roughly 8:5 in 2014 in $7 and $15 games. Do you wish to post your EV graph vs me? Thought not. The last time you posted an EV graph vs me, it showed conclusively that I got it in ahead much more often than you did, over a fair sample. Today's games? Same players as last year and the year before that. Some fish are now not-so-fishy and sometimes you get really strong fields. If anything I would say they are stronger than ever but I guess if wadzon, macros, johnnie and biood aren't playing, that defo weakens the shove-tard ratio.

Own me everyday. It sure feels like that sometimes. But I see the matchups you win vs me. SB shoving shorter stacks with 6 6 8 Q and sucking out vs premium. That's variance for you, pot equity at work, perfect ICM.

I see the matchups you win vs the field too. I hope you know how much of a luckbox you actually have to be to scoop 4-way all-in pre hands when dominated high, low and for every flush. Yea you've been winning 18 man games for fun for like 2-3 months but you've been incredibly lucky.

Oh the stinging criticism. Where is it you highlight all my flaws and show me in words and actions at the tables how predictable you find my play?

I wish I had any sort of standard running. I post results despite myself and shove-tards like yourself. We all know how to steal by shoving all-in pre, you are nothing but a 1-tricky pony.

Sure thing. So what are the formulae for calculating pot odds along with equities? Does it go something along the lines of, www.propokertools.com? Or does it just show up in these funny boxes at your tables?

I don't think I bragged about anything. It was folk (including juicy) that posted about it as it happened, not me. I posted something about making the FT of omania 27 like 3 times running and FINALLY getting a win after taking horror beats the previous 10 FTs. Wow, shame on me, after you had bragged about winning it previously and said I couldn't play MTTs.

**** me I do bad in that tourney. I'm sure I'm up a few $K lifetime but my ROI wouldn't be high.

Hmm, who would I rather have between the 2 of you? In SnGs, most def you. In MTTs, most def juicy. Dunno why you are so keen to have me at your table tho. Have you even won a hand vs me outside the $2r? I recall busting you a few times and getting in several killers bluffs.

Anyways, it should be no surprise that the 3 of you LOLtards all wanna stick together, enemy of my enemy and all that.

excluding the fixed limit scoop your top 5 wins are in the 2r 3 x turbo lol. which means almost all of your mtt profit comes from them and the fixed limit scoop. Yup that's clearly one of your worse mtts lol

I can hardly remember you ever being at the same table as me in an mtt apart from the 2r lol. But congrats on these killer bluffs you apparently made.

jj and I don't always agree but are both are able to talk logically about poker and both have experience and are winning players in all forms of O8 and understand poker concepts that clearly you have no clue about. The concepts he already mentioned.

I just hope I see you at a cash table one of these days.

LOL. Sure thing. I've had several (maybe 10) MTT wins other than the $2r in the past 2 months - most of my ROI must come from Omania and the $55PL (which I made HU 3 times in 4 games). I wish I did do well in the $2r as I play it often but nah. A few of my top 10 wins (in the last 2 years only) came from NLHE as well but hey.

I'm a winning player in every format of every game except 5-card OH8 (in which I had one bad cash session and dropped $1,000, haven't played b4 or since). And we have played in lots of the same MTTs and even been seated at the same tables. Don't you remember that hand deep in Omania when you had K high straight on turn and I re-raised you with air? Then bluffed you out of the river and showed like A 2 3 7? I enjoyed that after you telling me you would "soul-read" me

I'm sure ya will. I'm playing a bit of 1/2 PL at the moment....

AND FINALLY - the $s and the stats don't mean that much to me. A wiser man than me once said, "real winners don't look at the scoreboard, they keep both eyes on the field of play".

yeah sure i'm going to fold a king high str8 lol...odd that you were still in there till the river with a board like that with a237 though. And also odd that you know I had a king high str8 seeing as I am not a dolt like you that likes to show all the time and I wouldn't show you a hand I folded in a million years.

sure looks to me like 5 of your best wins weer in the 2r prior to your famous win in the $27 omania and FLO8 scoop both in May. Oh wait it wasn't a win it was 2nd to lyardos. Please don't tell me he's chop with you lol.

Personally I think Quantum is a natural poker talent, who's posts have to be cherry picked. There is some good stuff in them, but also things you definitely can't take into your game. He can't come across with everything in a pedagocical way. I think he doesn't tilt much in reality, it's more like the emotions come along easily as an addition. You could say he partly is a troll, partly likes to seek confrontations. Ego and butthurt are prominent, but there he has some company by some others, don't bother to give names now.

I must be the opposite vs Quantum, probably we look to get along well because of that. I'm the guy with little natural talent, but with virtually non-tilt, math, poker fascinating deeply, probably I'm a gambler, determined not to lose, my math character forces me not to. I'm "old", poker as a hobby clears my mind in a mindless world, no real real money made, they have to be made elsewhere. Will keep trying though, forever.

Guys, don't let yourselves to get upset with Quantum (I'm using that SN here, your SN at 2+2 is a bit challenging to use, don't want to call you "High" )

OK so u told me u had 9 K in that hand, maybe u showed because u were so embarrassed to still be in the hand on the river without the nuts and wanted to show something not horrifically fishy. If u don't remember the convo u must have had 1 or 10 too many.

I chopped with lyzardos, finished 2nd to some idiot and won it outright myself in a short period as far as the Omania thing goes. I wouldn't trust those stats so much and u should know that by now yourself - BUT - the stats don't show any of the top 5 as being wins in the $2r, which was what I believe u were trying to show. I have lots of wins sort of $5-800 zone, where most of the non-weekly OH8 games finish.

Anyway, I'm sure u have much more money than me. I saw u toss $3k in an hour like it was nothing - a 2100 scoop is just one more draw on a cigarette. That $3k would buy me en entire new black PVC double front door with 8 point locks, fancy glass and a sparkling letterbox. Next time u feel like splurging other peoples money, think of your old mate quantum stuck with this huge old-fashioned wooden door on a new build house!!!

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you don't trust those OPR stats lol..what!! Yet you constantly quote sharkscope like its the gospel...hilarious. But wow man..you have loads of 500-800 scores. sicko

Next time I feel like splurging peoples money???? what on earth are you talking about as I presume by me tossing 3k in an hour you're talking about cash games. Never played with anyone's money but my own in cash games. As I said please please play me at a cash table. I'll be sure to keep an eye out for you that's for sure.

It's really really weird that you randomly come out with this stuff about me. Are you that obsessed by me that you spend hours a day railing me just incase I give you any prescious amo to post on here or by pm these days lol.

You are one weird ****ing dude that's for sure.

Have you not realised what a joke you are to every decent o8 reg yet?? Even as deluded as you are i'd expect even you are starting to realise it by now lol.

noooo plaaynde.....the hands are only standard if the guy that wins has the best hand. No other factors doh

oh unless it's quantum calling of course then he just makes up **** in his head and cries.

Aye he's a natural talent lol.

Do you have any other explanation for his success? It's amazing he's ignoring close to every standard concept in his posts, all of those that have let me become a winner, however small. I can see that he picks up fast on dynamics, knows players, looks "his talent does the work", while part of his posts could be written by a fish.

Probably he's not well suited for the hypers, where raw math and simplicity play a great role.


Think you are valuable for the forum though Quantum, you certainly have got many things right also.

Yes he does somethings well like you mentioned due to obsessive personality and he knows basic O8 strategy and hands strengths I guess.

But he doesn't clearly understand other important concepts that have been mentioned. And he flat out refuses to acknowledge it or learn either.

As booid said which made me laugh is he thinks about hands like he's stuck in 2004. soooo true lol

Look at the addition in my last post. Quantum has also got me into thinking about certain things. If he only took away something of the "fancy" stuff, it would be ok. I think he is joking now and then, frankly. Somehow I see the rant about biood as that.

no it's defo not a joke. He gets obsessed fixated on things/people. I am unfortunately one of those people and he's been randomly railing me for months now. I guess partly curious/partly wants to find amo if he thinks I play a hand badly so he can post or pm me or just turn up at a random table gloating that I busted. It's all pretty sad tbh. He clearly has mental issues that need addressing.

Thanks for the kind words. "Natural talent", I like that haha. Billy likes it too

Of course most of what I said about biood was semi-joking and yes the hands are standard matchups you see all the time.

Unfortunately some players talk about "variance" like it's an excuse to seek flips or shove it behind because vs hypothetical "call ranges" they have the best hand and have both "fold and pot equities" to further embolden marginal shove-tard philosophies.

As for the other simpleton who got it in ahead and is thinking, "hold on, I actually have a clear 20% edge for high and 7% edge for low, I should win this", PFFFFFFFF, what game are you playing, chump? Variance doesn't work that way.

Also I would bet any amount that nobody here except maybe buzz would know how to calculate ICM, pot and fold equities with a pen a paper. Further, I bet the universe that somebody running 10 + tables with < 25 sec shot-clock, wouldn't have time to evaluate all this garbage they retrospectively spout, even if a software package did it all for them.

@ Juicy/Billy - if you think I don't understand variance, equities, ICM and the difference between a call and shove range, well, I dunno, all I can say is the other facets of my game must be supernatural to counteract the effects of my odious ignorance.

Hmm, scotsman calling the jew tight-fisted?

you would lose that bet. You just have to go ICMIZER put in stacks and then calculate for every possible result with all the probabilities of each result.

TBH I don't think YOU could actually do it as you look at hands in a style people did this 10 years ago.

OBV I can't do ICM calculations when I play 10+ tables, nobody can do a full calculation even while playing 1 table.

Decent post but some of the worst hyperbole when you read it including the statement above.

ICM, how useful a concept is it in hi/lo? I mean, look at this. You can win with (or lose against) a chip and a chair in holdem, but it doesn't take an eternity. If the small stack holds on like this it can ruin all your plans if three handed and you have the second chip stack. Yikes!



(Note: it was all-in all the way, the "Facing PF Action" doesn't make that clear)

Thanks, but lots of readers and contributors to this forum are better with the math than I am.

ngFTW, for one, does the math better than I do, and is very helpful.

And if you go to the probability forum, BruceZ, for one, has posted some awesome stuff.

Buzz