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07-03-2014 , 01:51 PM
To be clear on my comparison of quantum and biood when comparing the 2 players vpip in hypers removing heads up play Quantum actually has the higher vpip although in my most recent games with quantum his vpip seems to be lower. Quantums vpip 6 handed and 5 handed is almost identical and his vpip is almost the same from every position at the table. That sure doesn't sound like somemane making a lot of adjustments to me.

I honestly love seeing Quantum in hypers because I genuinely view him as being a spot and someone that is easy to play against. Also despite likely being a really smart guy Im not that worried about his rate of improvement based on his attitude.
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07-03-2014 , 01:57 PM
I agree he's prolly pretty smart.

Shame he cant transfer that from $7sng's to real life...I wish him the best of luck though. gogo quantum
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07-03-2014 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by UnnaturalDisaster
To be clear on my comparison of quantum and biood when comparing the 2 players vpip in hypers removing heads up play Quantum actually has the higher vpip although in my most recent games with quantum his vpip seems to be lower. Quantums vpip 6 handed and 5 handed is almost identical and his vpip is almost the same from every position at the table. That sure doesn't sound like somemane making a lot of adjustments to me.

I honestly love seeing Quantum in hypers because I genuinely view him as being a spot and someone that is easy to play against. Also despite likely being a really smart guy Im not that worried about his rate of improvement based on his attitude.
Perhaps my hand density was higher than bioods in the early part of your sample, maybe I steal more. I'm finding your argument that I'm looser than you incredibly ironic. What is your relative VPIP?

I too enjoy you at the tables. It's gratifying in a perversely child-like sense to see all the cards face-up from start to finish. It's also fun to see who will accommodate the uber-aggro pre player and who will risk it all to make a stand.

I am prepared to learn from all though. I even railed billy in 7-8 games (which is 3 months in his mind) in the off-chance of unlikely revelation. None was found. I do have a fair idea of the range of most good regs and how they re-act in any given situation, accumulated over the last 2 years though. I'm always looking at how everyone is playing it.

I don't even want to help you but surely even you can see that there's more to the art of deception and theft than pure aggression?
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07-03-2014 , 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by billygstar
I agree he's prolly pretty smart.

Shame he cant transfer that from $7sng's to real life...I wish him the best of luck though. gogo quantum
Thanks for the insults and compliments. Afraid I'm biased towards the former in your case. THIS:

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Originally Posted by billygstar
Is not a hyper-turbo hand.

My rating? Could have played it differently.

So action is min raise from CO, flat from SB, you shove A 2 T T ds pre form the BB.

Eh, you COULD do that. You can figure you are ahead - which you were by 4/3 vs A 3 Q K rainbow but if that A was suited, it's closer to 50/50 - or will pick up the pot pre.

You are posting because you had the over-pair, double nut draw on flop and lost, when villain had no pair. Perhaps we consider a call or re-raise pre and shove the flop if it's not painted? Then we avoid the variance of pre-shoving and get it in when 4-1 ahead, not 4-3? True donkeyballs could still call with A 3 Q K and you would still lose, but at least you give him the option of not being a donk.
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07-03-2014 , 04:48 PM
they both love eachother to play with

so much love in poker.
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07-03-2014 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Premove
Broken my last computer mouse... Hate all! ;(
Not today(
sick scam ! so when are you going to do it ?
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07-03-2014 , 04:51 PM
Just simulated a 20 trial sample with 5% roi at the $15s over 10,000 games. Scary ****.

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07-03-2014 , 05:01 PM
15's are tough tho
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07-03-2014 , 05:04 PM
whats that got to do with the graph?
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07-03-2014 , 05:09 PM
nothing ofc, I understand variance, I'm not quantum. whats scary tho ?
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07-03-2014 , 05:10 PM
That top line looks so sexy tho
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07-03-2014 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by biood1
nothing ofc, I understand variance, I'm not quantum. whats scary tho ?
nothing for you
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07-03-2014 , 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by flipya4dinna
Just simulated a 20 trial sample with 5% roi at the $15s over 10,000 games. Scary ****.

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My current ev ROI is 3%. Hoping not to be the light green line, then I can consider myself doomed.

Note that the line has some intitial rungood, things are looking very well at 700 games. At 2000 games things are turning around for the better again, only to stall. Every upswing is matched by a downswing. At 7000 things are finally going fair......9800......

And this is just (approx) the bottom 5% of runbad. The lowest 1% is even more gruesome. And then, who is the guy winning the reversed lotto, being at the bottom 0.1% of variance? Hope he loves poker. He will spend his life fighting.

Last edited by plaaynde; 07-03-2014 at 06:23 PM.
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07-03-2014 , 09:00 PM
play 678 sng today
If I had normal mouse,I can beat record biood1 ;(
Tomorrow last day my mini-challenge with maraphone volume game.
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07-04-2014 , 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Premove
play 678 sng today
If I had normal mouse,I can beat record biood1 ;(
Tomorrow last day my mini-challenge with maraphone volume game.
holy crap you did that much volume using a laptop touch pad?? I'd struggle to 2 table ha
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07-04-2014 , 05:18 AM
just stack tables
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07-04-2014 , 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Buzz
I'm sick of you both at this point. Neither one of you is willing to cooperate with me. I think you both enjoy the squabble. And that's OK with me so long as I'm left out of it... but now streityboy has drawn me into it... Not where I want to be.

We helped you out, Billy. You were temp. banned but we got you unbanned so that you could handle your dealings in the marketplace. And you're repaying our kindness by ****ting on us. (By continuing to harp about Q after being asked to back off, you're ****ting on us, Billy).

By refusing to cooperate with me, both you and Q are showing me personally no respect. And by continuing your inane squabble, you're not showing any respect to forum members either. Either one of you could STFU yourself instead of each telling the other to STFU.

You should be intelligent enough to realize, Billy, that Q wants your head. He's willing to get banned himself if he brings you down in the process. And that may be the end result of this.

It's up to niss. I wash my hands of both of you. I don't have time for this ****.

Buzz
My intention has never been to show you any disrespect buzz. I'm sorry if it comes across that way as I respect you very much.

I am just 1 of the many he squabbles with and me just putting him on ignore is kind of impossible when half the forum chat is either him posting nonsense or other regs posting about him.

I didn't force streity or any1 else to get involved. He gets every1 involved because of all the crap Quantum posts. This latest stuff had nothing to to with me but as I am a reg on this forum surely I am allowed my opinion. Problem is he is incapable of giving his opinion without throwing personal insults.

If I remember correctly I got involved at the start coz quantum was talking the most stupid crap ever towards juicy and streity and it was just too annoying for me not too.

I'm not bothering to get involved anymore but I think it's pretty clear of the general consensus towards him but I few have said they are happy for him to post his stupidity for entertainment value. Fine by me as long as he is confined to the low content threads.

Appreciate you unbanning me for the MP stuff although I don't think my ban was warranted in the 1st place tbh. At that point I was getting flooded with PM's from him and was stalking me daily at the tables and generally talking as much **** about me as possible wherever he could. I mean he even tried to send my 4th place weekly nl8 hand histories to the MP mod to get me banned even though the hands were totally standard. I gather he got laughed at as usual. I wouldn't even dream of doing that even if I thought some1 I couldn't stand played horrendously. Just sad really.
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07-04-2014 , 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by HighTillIDieT4L
Thanks for the insults and compliments. Afraid I'm biased towards the former in your case. THIS:



Is not a hyper-turbo hand.

My rating? Could have played it differently.

So action is min raise from CO, flat from SB, you shove A 2 T T ds pre form the BB.

Eh, you COULD do that. You can figure you are ahead - which you were by 4/3 vs A 3 Q K rainbow but if that A was suited, it's closer to 50/50 - or will pick up the pot pre.

You are posting because you had the over-pair, double nut draw on flop and lost, when villain had no pair. Perhaps we consider a call or re-raise pre and shove the flop if it's not painted? Then we avoid the variance of pre-shoving and get it in when 4-1 ahead, not 4-3? True donkeyballs could still call with A 3 Q K and you would still lose, but at least you give him the option of not being a donk.
didn't even mean to post that hand. Totally standard shove there though actually. Have a lot of history with chriss333k and he will generally raise my bb every chance he gets and trash talk every chance too ha. Most standard shove ever with the random donk in sb flatting from sb.

Was doing quite well until lost aa24 to a279 versus donk Russian skypoker on a good flop for me and then aa47 ds after I 3 bet and call a 4 bet shove and donk has ajj2. Fun.

Good value mtt though. Got 6th I think a few days ago and missed out n some big bounties in a really soft table. Bounties give it a very interesting dynamic.

horrid time for me though as it starts at midnight or something.

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07-04-2014 , 06:18 AM
this was the hand I meant to post.

How to we rate player 2's play here? From his limp pre to the call OTT. Guess he though kings were good right after player 1 potting the flop and then potting 4k OTT

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-h...994_A1EE720B2A
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07-04-2014 , 06:24 AM
    Poker Stars, $20 Buy-in (100/200 blinds) Pot Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #28570261

    BB: 7,676 (38.4 bb)
    UTG+1: 9,693 (48.5 bb)
    UTG+2: 4,687 (23.4 bb)
    MP1: 1,850 (9.3 bb)
    MP2: 4,665 (23.3 bb)
    MP3: 2,574 (12.9 bb)
    Hero (CO): 6,367 (31.8 bb)
    BTN: 3,779 (18.9 bb)
    SB: 2,212 (11.1 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with 6 2 A 7
    UTG+1 calls 200, UTG+2 calls 200, 3 folds, Hero calls 200, BTN folds, SB completes, BB checks

    Flop: (1,000) T 4 8 (5 players)
    SB checks, BB bets 1,000, UTG+1 calls 1,000, UTG+2 folds, Hero calls 1,000, SB folds

    Turn: (4,000) K (3 players)
    BB bets 4,000, UTG+1 calls 4,000, Hero folds

    River: (12,000) T (2 players)
    BB bets 2,476 and is all-in, UTG+1 calls 2,476

    Spoiler:
    Results: 16,952 pot
    Final Board: T 4 8 K T
    BB showed 8 J 8 J and won 16,952 (9,276 net)
    UTG+1 showed 2 K 2 A and lost (-7,676 net)



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    prolly easier to post in 2+2 format
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    07-04-2014 , 08:44 AM
    would be so awesome if 30-60$ O8 hypers would run like 7-15$'s are. we could make so much $$$ then. we could be able to get them going alot more if we all would just play a litle bit more imo. would allready be a good step if 7-30$ would run more so that I wouldnt have to put in 3,5$ games.
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    07-04-2014 , 11:19 AM
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    would allready be a good step if 7-30$ would run more so that I wouldnt have to put in 3,5$ games.
    Not to mention the 1.50s I'm playing...only premove and ziemnio0k find time to play them...
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    07-04-2014 , 11:28 AM
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    Originally Posted by billygstar
      Poker Stars, $20 Buy-in (100/200 blinds) Pot Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 9 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #28570261

      BB: 7,676 (38.4 bb)
      UTG+1: 9,693 (48.5 bb)
      UTG+2: 4,687 (23.4 bb)
      MP1: 1,850 (9.3 bb)
      MP2: 4,665 (23.3 bb)
      MP3: 2,574 (12.9 bb)
      Hero (CO): 6,367 (31.8 bb)
      BTN: 3,779 (18.9 bb)
      SB: 2,212 (11.1 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with 6 2 A 7
      UTG+1 calls 200, UTG+2 calls 200, 3 folds, Hero calls 200, BTN folds, SB completes, BB checks

      Flop: (1,000) T 4 8 (5 players)
      SB checks, BB bets 1,000, UTG+1 calls 1,000, UTG+2 folds, Hero calls 1,000, SB folds

      Turn: (4,000) K (3 players)
      BB bets 4,000, UTG+1 calls 4,000, Hero folds

      River: (12,000) T (2 players)
      BB bets 2,476 and is all-in, UTG+1 calls 2,476

      Spoiler:
      Results: 16,952 pot
      Final Board: T 4 8 K T
      BB showed 8 J 8 J and won 16,952 (9,276 net)
      UTG+1 showed 2 K 2 A and lost (-7,676 net)



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      prolly easier to post in 2+2 format
      Don't want to be rude, but wrong thread. Anything but NL lotto is taboo over here
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      07-04-2014 , 12:31 PM
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      Originally Posted by billygstar
      this was the hand I meant to post.

      How to we rate player 2's play here? From his limp pre to the call OTT. Guess he though kings were good right after player 1 potting the flop and then potting 4k OTT

      http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-h...994_A1EE720B2A
      How do we rate player 2? haha.

      Where to begin. For me, he missed a trick by flatting pre. Maybe a min or max would have gotten rid of BB. I guess maybe he was thinking limp to call the re-raise pre.

      Call on flop is fair enough. Call on turn, hmm, I pondered that at the time and concluded it was sub-optimal. I guess it's fairly obvious that BB is playing a high hand only with flop bet and cbet max turn. Possibly he has A 2 5 6 or A 2 4 T or something but I find that unlikely. Anyone holding A 2 2 and hoping to spike a low on the river only has about a 40% chance of making it.

      I was writing an essay while playing that hand and wasn't paying attention. How I choose to look at this hand is that I basically shoved it when a 60/40 dog, which is never good.

      Remember 4 things tho :

      1) This is a HT thread for POKERSTARS 6-MAX HT PLAYERS and HT HANDS
      2) "I wouldn't even dream of doing that even if I thought some1 I couldn't stand played horrendously. Just sad really." Hypocrisy at its finest.
      3) I have records of many hands you donked in much bigger tourneys when one assumes you were fully engaged. I'm a big believer in reciprocity
      4) I don't mind this flaw bring highlighted because I know exactly what I did wrong and how I should fix it. Any highlighted flaws are just a hurry-up to me to maintain concentration and show the field more respect.

      Finally (and please don't feel the need to turn this into an extended back and forth), I was never trying to get you banned from the MP or any other forum.

      I'm just a free-markets guy that laments the lack of market efficiency in all quarters. The 2+2 MP is a prime example actually - you hold informational monopolies over your investors (some of whom profess no knowledge of OH8). And many sellers have monopolies over the entire market (i.e. they abstractly select their MU, cherry-pick games and series they wish to play, don't mention past performance with likely field, don't give precise breakdowns of past performance throughout each particular variant, stake, format). And now there is a dude who has built a business based on these informational monopolies. Rather than the margin remaining with sellers (which it never should have in the first place), there has been a transfer of wealth away from the marketplace and towards a 3rd party. Once again, those who matter the most. i.e. the INVESTORS AND SHAREHOLDERS, are treated like **** by all those involved. As a matter of principle (coming from a postgrad finance background) I believe it's a fundamental right that shareholders have access to 100% of all available information/edge so that they may make the best possible decisions in what should be a "free market". Such theories of EMH will always be fanciful as they require participation by all parties at all levels of engagement - nobody is fully proficient in every level. Point is I merely wished to share information and make your little slice of the market more efficient for your shareholders because my engagement and knowledge was superior to theirs. I don't expect you to understand finance or ethics though when you say you would never post hands from another player, then do it like 5 mins later? LOL.
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      07-04-2014 , 01:11 PM
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      Originally Posted by HighTillIDieT4L
      (coming from a postgrad finance background)
      You gave away something here. Rest of your post indicate you've been drinking, like I!

      Or could it be



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