what's the BB? pretty important to determine the cutoff

I think the most common would be 40/80 with 8 ante or 50/100 with 10 ante. For simplicity, take the second one.

alright, I'll give it a go. I'm probably giving away a lot of info on my playing style/calling range, but wtf. A lot of readers won't act accordingly anyway

A1 call
B1 call
C1 call
D1 call
E1 fold
F1 fold
G1 call
H1 call

if SB only calls, which is maybe unrealistic:

A2 call
B2 call
C2 call
D2 fold
E2 fold
F2 fold
G2 fold
H2 call

if SB ships himself:

A2 fold
B2 fold
C2 fold
D2 fold
E2 fold
F2 fold
G2 fold
H2 call

I'd call them all, A2-F2 the only questionable hands there imo. DONT STEAL MY BB BITCH

How about we go the whole 9 yards, set up a dark-net escrow and the loser agrees to commit hara-kiri live on webcam?

I'm semi-pro. Other commitments mean some days I can't start until 8pm. SnGs slow down around 10pm UK time.

Nobody thinks I'm a fish, except you. I have more of a nit-rep, apparently.

I think you autoplay so many situations that when you "crack the code" from the outside, the density of positional plays and the nature of your philosophy - the whole hand strength doesn't matter, all that matters is the play, which is true in some situations but not ALL- means that to me, your play can look seriously predictable and fishy.

You do realise that I've been playing these SnGs for the last 24 months, right? You have been sensationally lucky, like all-time lev_gold, AJ hot, and it seems like you don't even know it. Your hand density is quark-gluon plasma, hold % astronomical, outdraw potential similar to that of a russian newbie.

Man the stats are there for all to see and you are the biggest winner in the last 4 months. Beyond that, people would actually have to sit and play to make an informed decision about who plays best. Maybe angryjuice or trelskig think they are the best, they won more at a faster rate than you did at the start of the year.

Im not here claiming Im the best Im just saying Im better than you. I play like 3 times as many tables as you do when I am playing 18 mans as well so even if you did have a better per game win rate its not a real comparison. Also I was not just referring to 18 mans. The bet I was referring to would include 18 mans/9mans/hypers.

Well that could be me or billy but I assume me LOL. I agree your content is better than mine and I'll post answers. Who are you on stars btw? You a reg or a neutral?

As far as 18 mans go Angryjuice probably is better than me at them. I have never played one with trelskig so I can't comment on his play in them. Oh and Lev_gold might be worse than you. I have run a bit better than expected in 18 mans this year but nothing super out of the ordinary. Considering that I have ran poorly at every other form of O8 this year I don't feel all that bad about running good in 18 mans.

he wont do any kind of bet..ur waisting ur breath jj. He's a pathological liar and will do w/e he can to go round in circles and get more attention and no way will he play any1 HU or any kind of prop bet. I know from past experience. It will end up lie after lie like last time.

It's so ****ing pathetic.

Some1 seriously has to get laid...any1 will do ffs quantum. surely all this gets a bit old.

Oh lol the way you ask every single poster their sn. Like your just ready to do some mad SC search on them.

Exactly.

That's not the point. Like everything in poker you do your work away from the table and apply the concepts to your play. Do the ICM calcs like the rest of us.

Don't teach the fish J!

This.

The A238 separates those that know how to play hypers and those that don't.

In the end, we are way behind holdem hypers, but it's also simpler to solve IMO.

It's billy.

First of all, LOL at making that assertion based on one hand.

Secondly, LOL at saying playing (A 2 8) 3 is so bad given the context of the hand (that i would call biood with anything half-playable as stated previously if he shoved utg).

Third, LOL for not remembering that sensai juicy says we all bet based on what we think the opposition behind will do, so I called knowing we would be 3-handed and that I was actually favourite (with biood last) holding A 2 3 8 ss.

Just for fun...Unless you are a super user and know everyones whole cards having a 3rd player call does not magically make you a favorite.

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

Hand	Pot equity	Scoops	Wins Hi	Ties Hi	Wins Lo	Ties Lo
Ax2x3x8z	30.33%	74,049	118,802	21,779	124,732	137,747
25%	33.32%	123,758	223,164	23,704	18,006	54,576
10%	36.35%	133,394	222,116	28,288	15,580	108,483

You don't need me to agree that you have a point, the sim says it all

But I wasn't playing a random opponent in a random field. I was playing with JJ style pre-meditation, "for sure I'm shoving that button or SB if nobody acts first", kinda thing, and was always going to call a huge range to biood's utg shove.

I didn't care if I was ahead, just knew that in this uber-wide small stake field, that I was most likely fav for low and making that low 50% HU vs biood, or making low ~ 44% if we went 3-handed, even if the 3rd player holds A 4 X X. I would have been far from shocked to find out I was ahead for high and low, given the field and game. As it turned out I would have taken the flip if I was a super-user.

Anyway, that hand isn't a representative example but pretend it is. Is putting people on relatively wide ranges, such as top 10% (which is what, 16,430 distinct hands?) or top 25%, really the best way?

Perhaps vs a random field but when are you ever playing vs a random field on pokerstars? Surely those who have been around long enough are putting different players on much tighter, or wider, ranges than the gaussian opponent? And each individual player will act in a number of different ways given the same hand. Ranges are symbiotic with player dynamics and history - e.g my calling range vs your SB shove is the widest point of my game, my calling range vs solid player utg action would be the tightest point of my game.

Given that many players are self-aware and aware of other table dynamics, sometimes calling a top 45% hand is good, sometimes calling a top 5% hand is bad, blatantly so in both cases. So what is my calling range? 45%? or 2%?

The reason I chose 25% is because thats what biood suggested was the % of hands he plays from that spot. Now certainly that does not mean he is shoving the exact top 25% of hands but in terms of running simulations it seems like the best way to do it. I chose 10% for the third player seeing as he is the third player in he is likely going to have a fairly tight range. Depending on what stake the game is played that number could be lower or higher but whether its 5% or 15% its probably not going to change things too much.

In this particular spot I would suggest calling with a pretty tight range regardless of opponent. Now that being said knowing that biood is shoving lighter than most from utg is still a + for you. Its just too early in the sng to take advantage of that knowledge.

Pretty much that's me too. I even probably call A2, E1 and E2 (where the small stack is 2bb). That may be a mistake though. You maybe, just maybe, could wait for the small stack to be blinded out/lose anyway.

2 day without flame... what happened ?

Big milestone for 2014 today

Congrats to your ev chips won!

I looked up mine after that and saw that I EXACTLY played 20.000 games so far. very good timing xD. its a mix of HU hypers, 6m hypers and 18 mans + a very few O8 mtts.

Should be a bit glad - but my profits come from the Holdem FPP satellites (incredibly soft):

What do you guys do to not get bored from hypers? I am always bored to death after playing hypers for an hour.

Get a piece of Apfelstrudel, read this thread and the world is exciting again

Looks the hypers isn't the right game for you. I don't usually play for an hour. One-three games or whatever, then doing something else, having no work ethics, coming back later when feeling for it. Getting the scent of Apfelstrudel is part of a perfect day for me. So little to worry about in those games.

And so nice to gambool with a positive expectance. And then the fascinating math, always a little something new there, as the topping of the pie.

This thread is definitively very motivating for me and helps me improve a lot. Many times I see hand posted here and think it is fold/call and then people who have proved that they are better at hypers than me say it is opposite and I have some new ideas to improve my game.

And Apfelstrudel might be bad for my weight loss