Looks like the feds have the biggest rake going. 3 BILLION dollars! This is so awesome. Its hysterical seeing people cry about losing their $100 they have online. Sorry but you all just got stacked in the ultimate bad beat. Enjoy the casinos.

Don't waste your time trying to make sense out of the UIGEA. I tried when it first passed years ago, and I think that I got dumber in the process. It is very vague. Basically, it says, "If something is already illegal, then it is illegal." Duh.

CLIFFS (and some opinions) regarding cashouts (from someone who has read entire thread

-First and foremost, there is NO blanket answer to the question "Hey I'm from *insert location here*, should I cash out?".

-This being said, it appears that some Euro players and Canadian players have both withdrawn AND GOTTEN FUNDS through MB. Others have not been successful in this.

-FTP seems like they have been declining just about every type of cashout request in one way or anther for US players.

-Stars, OTOH, is still letting US players withdraw and processing the withdrawals. HOWEVER, SINCE THE STORY JUST BROKE 24 HOURS AGO, NOT A SINGLE US PLAYER WHO HAS HAD A WITHDRAWAL "SUCCESSFULLY" PROCESSED HAS SEEN A VALID CHECK OR WIRE. This is to be expected since this would take a few days.

-The consensus is split as to whether the money is safer on the sites or in the hands of the payment processors. IMO, since it seems like they are going directly after the processors as well, I'd rather have it on the site ATM until we have more information.

-Also, some people of late have complained of checks from stars being bounced. This lends more credence to the fact that the money is most likely safer in your account until they can figure out a way to get the money out.

-Both sites have said that all funds are safe. Some people inexplicably seem to place some confidence in this as though they would ever say anything else.

-Finally, since Stars and FTP are going to continue to operate around the world (except in the US), I think that the incentive is high for them to make right by this in any way possible. Because of this, I see no reason why US player money is less safe than anyone else's. Think about it, either the US government somehow gets a hold of the assets of these companies or it doesn't. If the former happens, then everyone around the world is likely screwed. If the latter happens, the Stars and FTP certainly could not keep operating with any credibility if they are caught not paying out US player money.

lawl

im a euro player and was wondering if anyone else has had success withdrawing money? i did a local ban transfer and it was approved but ill still need to wait the 11-15 days it takes to come into my bank account. Not sure if this means that my money is now safe or is it still just as vulnerable as it was sitting in my bankroll?

dark times

What do you think happens if you buy chips from a casino and take them home and the casino goes BK? There is no separate player account, the money belongs to the casino and can be seized by creditors. Same with FT & PS.

FT & PS have big bankrolls and legal world wide operations with substantial value, US players need to hope that those are enough to absorb any settlement or conviction by DOJ. It will take time to resolve.

man what is this guy on the radio telling. "Live in the moment... enjoy every single moment of life, get a massage"...hahaha. Well this obv true but doesn't help people to get their money or job back lol. What a show. You losing your job and income and such a guy is telling you such harmonic yin yang **** in the next moment :P Pete should kick his balls to get real again.

All you USA citizens, saying your not free to do what you want in your country.
Name any country where your free, its token democracy everywhere (you get a vote every 4/5 years & then they do as they please)

Only thing you can say, is that its safer than living under a military
dictatorship.

Just hope we get the money thats on the sites, but I fear its a case of wait & see, dont think anyone can know.

lol.... that is not fair to say at all, these people got incredibly UNLUCKY.. if there was serious notice of this happening (and not some people speculating) do you not think this person would try removing these funds? There was no REAL warning of this other than UIGEA which was released a while ago and nothing major happened since..

WRONG.


Everything is not alright and will not be alright for USA players. The next few days will tell if non-USA players are affected.


Why? Because if the DOJ is successful in taking $3 birrion from Stars/Tilt, and throw Bitar/Isai in jail for 30+ years along with huge fines, do you think that any internet poker player on these sites in the world will be alright?

The argument that stars and company HAD to break the law given the US restrictions is a total farse. Oh they HAD to? Why? Party Poker chose not to break the law. You always have a choice. Particularly given how much money they could stand to lose by being caught. You take the legal channels available to you, and you win it the right way.

But it's a crock of **** to say these sites had to commit fraud. That's like saying Capone had to smuggle booze, kill people, and not pay taxes. I mean hell, what other choice did he have? lol.

crap good point... everybody edit your posts. this thread is now about purchasing golf balls online.

That would imply that the gov is fiscally responsible and is trying to pay debts. I do not believe that this is the case anywhere in the goverment. Goverment agencies generally just try to justify their own existence. AKA Self licking ice cream cones.

I completely agree, that animal, who said that, must be k1lled. Omg not even a completed ******ed/fool would say "if you play online poker there's a high probability you will be on alcoholism/child abuse." I guess he is a alien or something. -.---'''''

uouf At least i'm European, i'm safe here playing online poker cause there aren't ******s thinking poker is a addicted gambling game that can cause serious problems to people (like alcoholism, drugs, etc.)

I am playing a freeroll right now on UB and decided to see if I could withdraw any money, they will not allow US players to withdraw or deposit at this time.

So basically they are saying all the money you made on Any of these sites was made Illegally, and is now theirs. GG to all, hope you didnt KEEP ALL the money you made on your account and put some in the bank. biggest scam in history, but as they say... the house ALWAYS wins mwahahahahah suckers

I would hope since Anonymous loves to take on causes where the government screws people, they would look at this and go hmmmm.

Fishes Bullying Internetpoker

QFLegend

This is NOT cool. If someone figures out how to get money off of Full Tilt, please let me
know?! Thank you. Guess I'm going to Atlantic City tonight... ug

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Who says they are going bankrupt? They are not paying creditors, THEY ARE PAYING THE US GOV. I asked this question and will ask it again, is the USA Gov a Nazi regime that is willing to take away the money of not only US players, but from players AROUND THE WORLD, who dont give a **** about america and are doing things which are perfectly legal in their respective country? That is what is even more bewildering, if i am following laws in my own country who is to say that the US government can take my ****ing money?

You are an idiot!

Wait is this confirmed?

MATT HAWRILENKO BEGGING GUS TO LET HIM TILT HIS ROLE AWAY IN STYLE RIGHT NOW ON FTP 2-7