If I was Jason I would eat the 20k and call it a cheap lesson.

These guys went down around the same time Jason couldn't pay October winners...
http://www.trentonian.com/article/TT...WS01/121029679

Don't respond to trolls, guys.

Todd is a bracelet winner.

I made it through 100 posts before totally wanting to blow my brains out.

Here's an idea- let's see what the contract has to say.

What's that, you don't have a contract? Gg.

You have tens of thousands of dollars on the line (or millions if you believe Jason), yet you act like children with play money and throw numbers around with people you barely know, then bitch and complain when things go south.

Clearly neither player in this ordeal is very intelligent (Chris, jesus man, proofread your posts), and neither has anywhere near enough $ that $20k isn't a ****ton of cash.

Hopefully this laughable situation will provide some education for others.

So now people are supposed to have signed contracts for every sports bet they make? lmao

Illegal contracts are void.

If only those guys would've had a contract with Pablo Escobar for all that cocaine maybe things would've turned out differently? Right Einstein?

I did grasp that part and addressed it in the very next post after the one you quoted before you even responded. With the example you wrote out where you said in JY world he's fine because he has more money coming in than going out, if JY was indeed an agent and is freerolling then he's always fine regardless of how the bets are going since he's not on the hook for anything, which would mean your example is completely unecessary. Your example looks to be referencing JY's solvency as far as being able to pay people out, but if he's just an agent then he doesn't have to pay anything out. Regardless how you spin it, even if he's an agent who owes nothing, it doesn't make sense for him to be pressuring CM into paying off the debt to another victim of the bookie, when he himself is a victim as well from being freerolled. What Jason was or wasn't in this situation is immaterial from CM perspective. If the person taking CM's bets (JY himself or some "bookie") couldn't pay out then CM shouldn't have to pay.

The more realistic situation here anyway as other seasoned sportsbettors have alluded to is JY simply decided he was going to be the bookie himself and front as an agent, where he will tell his players he will do his best to make them whole, but ultimately try to place blame/fault on some ficticious other person. This way he can get more bets placed from instilling confidence in people, but have outs for if he can't pay out. In that situation he's clearly scammed.

i had a contract with my ex wife, but still lost

I don't know, he may have an idea that could revolutionize illegal activities. Think about it, what if everyone involved in illegal activities took the time to write down all of the illegal things they were doing and had both parties sign the document. What could ever go wrong?

Lol no, but my point is that it's childish to throw around these huge #s involving thousands of dollars (millions if you believe Jason) with no security measures in place. As stated itt, a bet at a legit sports book gives you a receipt and is your contract with the book. Betting w/ randos on the internet and people who've done nothing to earn your trust is just asking for trouble.

Sounds like you had a pretty ****ty contract.

Do you not see why an illegal operation running out of the US would not want to give away all of that information?

Post of the thread winner.

talk about using some ****ing common sense holy ****, you're on jy's side? do you even know how to read, lucas?

should not be so contentious

need an update

Most of the time you are correct but I think you are wrong about the bolded part. I don't see how it matters that JY was a booker himself and had the money to pay if he loses (having the money is obviously the crucial part) instead of being an agent to another booker.

I really doubt Jason is trying to scam anyone here, as he has told me that whatever he does collect from Chris will be going to other people he owes.

It is not as if he plans on keeping the money if Chris pays him.

Maybe that doesnt matter? I spoke to Jason yesterday and asked him alot of tough questions, and while I never have actually met him in person, I am convinced that his heart is in the right place.

I also had an equally long talk with Chris some time ago, and I was actually convinced that his heart was in the right place also. He felt that he had taken the high road too many times, and felt that his days of being taken advantage of due to his name were over, and that he shouldn't pay, if he felt he would not have gotten paid if he won.

Please keep in mind that I am completely not neutral here, as I would far prefer to have Chris pay, but with that caveat.....

I guess the one question I would have for Chris, though, is....if he had won, would he be attempting to collect his winnings? If so, then I can't quite get a handle on the idea that he should not pay if he lost. If that is the case, then who exactly is being freerolled here? (That is, if Chris would have wanted to get paid if he won but is using Jasons "insolnevcy" or whatever you call it, as a reason to not pay now.)

As usual my logic probably has alot of holes in it. I am probably biased and not thinking straight, as is typical of most biased people.

idk

F Sports.

Sheets,
The answer to your question is quite obvious, but that does not affect in any way the lingering question, if he won, would he have been paid? Evidence presented itt, is no.

+1 to Cliffs post above

Jason's "heart being in the right place" does NOT mean he had the ability to pay Chris had he won. As Cliffs said, all evidence so far shows that Jason would have been unable to pay.

Chris loses, Jason happily collects. Had Chris won, he gets thrown to back of the line and its anybody's guess if and when he ever receives a dime.

Based on testimonials or what people have said about Jason itt, I don't think he's a straight up "scammer", but sounds like this was pretty shady on his part.

If I would of won of course I would want to be paid. However, after years of experience I would of realized that I not getting anything and gave up. This is what makes me an easy target I guess. I write off the debt after I realize I am not collecting.

If sheets is still waiting to get paid over a year later it seems as if Chris actually won the line would be longer and deeper with very little light at the end of the tunnel.

BS, CM you lost a bet so pay the man and forget the other crap. JY never rolled you before from what I understand. Stop blaming others for your screw ups for once in your life, payoff this bet, learn from it and move on. When you make a decision to do anything in life YOU own it good or bad.