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Borgata finds counterfeit 5k chips in WPO #1-Cncls event-Arrest made-Lawsuit filed-*RULING OUT* Borgata finds counterfeit 5k chips in WPO #1-Cncls event-Arrest made-Lawsuit filed-*RULING OUT*

01-25-2014 , 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ohsnapzach
LOL if only Day 1 C players are refunded I'll never play another tournament at Borgata.
And this is the marketing problem the Borgata has.
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01-25-2014 , 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by someguy99
Wait, there was a Jesse Letchworth in the 39 NC arrests and a Jesse Letchworth in the final 27...sounds way too coincidental.
You made this statement!! Which is NOT TRUE
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01-25-2014 , 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ZenForest
So how do Poker Rooms combat this ?

http://www.alibaba.com/quotation-det...240875439.html

Chinese co's selling counterfeit chips of all Major Poker Rooms & Events !!!
Funny how d bag american casino owners can shut internet poker but not these guys
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01-25-2014 , 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by JimmyAggassi
This kind of thing could have happened anywhere. Most place including WSOP have inexperienced dealers and there are not tons of floor people around.

Build a tournament where there is no chance of cheating and you probably increase the rake a big amount and its not viable for professional players to play.

Borgata has always run a really good room so they will probably end up giving refunds even though what happened is not their fault.

This guy is going to get a big time punishment so don't expect a bunch more of these scandals.

People should look at it as 10 years of these big tournaments without a big scandal. Just tweak the mode a little bit and everything is fine.
or we could look at it as , "how many times has this been done before w/out anyone noticing"
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01-25-2014 , 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by youshameusitalians
also that person with the low post count that posted the screen shot of wwwalibaba was no coincidence.


There is no way in hell he randomly found that. I would IP check that person for sure.


This whole story stinks of a cover up.
From reading his rap sheet it appears Christian Lusardi has plenty of experience with the criminal justice system. This includes the highly specialized skill of cutting (generous to him) plea bargain deals. (Has this guy spent any appreciable amount of time behind bars for all his crimes?)

I would love to be a fly on the wall in the detention facility where Lusardi is currently being held. He knows he's not going to be walking anytime soon, so he has all the incentive in the world to spill his guts. The NJDGE and the cops are surely sweating this guy for all the information he has. Lusardi has played this game before, so he's surely ratting out his buddies. If a well known pro (say somebody like Men the Master) is mixed up in this, Lusardi might be able to cut himself a good deal again since NJ authorities will more likely want to come down hard on the big fish rather than the patsy.

I can't wait for additional arrests. I love chaos and master criminal plots that go awry. One of my favorite lines is from the movie "Body Heat" where Mickey O'Rourke is explaining to William Hurt: "Hey counselor, with a crime like this [arson] there are a hundred ways you can get caught. If you figure out fifty of them, you're a genius - and you're no genius!"

This caper is going to wind up on "American Greed" - I just know it.
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01-25-2014 , 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by psychosocial
Oh my, that article is hilarious! I love you Tiffany! lmao
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01-25-2014 , 08:12 PM
Math guys HELP. How many flushes would it take to flush that many chips if a chip flusher did flush chips?
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01-25-2014 , 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by someguy99
Wait, there was a Jesse Letchworth in the 39 NC arrests and a Jesse Letchworth in the final 27...sounds way too coincidental.
Not that I can see.

Link to original report of arrest in NC w/list of others arrested.

http://blog.drivinglaws.org/2008/10/...house-arrests/

copy/paste names of those arrested ( see below) . (don't see a Jesse Letchworth)

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Adams Michael 36
Anderson Joshua 24
Best Aaron 26
Blankenship Jonah 43
Bunce Rufus 46
Bungo Justin 22
Carter Jonathan 46
Cashwell Larry 35
Cole Vincent 24
Davis Joshua 21
Davis Titus 33
Ferguson Joshua 24
Fields Michael 24
Green Kenneth 32
Green Denise 38
Griffin Deshaune 21
Hall Lori 42
Jesus Villanueva 22
Jimenez Gabriel 41
Johnson Jeremie 24
Krick Kyle 23
Lee Robert 23
Lowther Gary 19
Melvin John 27
O’Conner Brendan 24
Pope Terrance 39
Powers Parrish 36
Quick James 41
Richburg Julius 25
Ross Robert 33
Scott Walter 26
Shadmoni David 20
Sheridan Shaheim 22
Taylor Charles 23
Toogood Myuna 69
Whetton Cory 27
Williams Roderick 25
Williams Kevin 37
Williams Anthony 44

plus....

In addition to the gambling charges, one patron, John Preston Melvin (27 years of age), was charged with Trafficking Opium / Heroin, Possession of Cocaine, and Possession of Marijuana. Furthermore, three handguns were found in vehicles being driven by patrons.

The owner of the Yadkin Road Poker House, Christian Patrick Lusardi (36 years of age) was charged with gambling and illegal alcohol sales. His mother, Diana Lusardi, was also charged with illegal gambling.
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01-25-2014 , 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by JimmyAggassi
This kind of thing could have happened anywhere. Most place including WSOP have inexperienced dealers and there are not tons of floor people around.

Build a tournament where there is no chance of cheating and you probably increase the rake a big amount and its not viable for professional players to play.

Borgata has always run a really good room so they will probably end up giving refunds even though what happened is not their fault.

This guy is going to get a big time punishment so don't expect a bunch more of these scandals.

People should look at it as 10 years of these big tournaments without a big scandal. Just tweak the mode a little bit and everything is fine.
what you say is all true, but the more important issue is bolded. Its not gonna be a matter of whether or not MTT organizers want to do this, if they don't clean up the internal control holes, they will be forced. As an industry we need to figure out what the solution is and start to put those internal controls in place now.

Off the top of my head, I'd say 40 states in the U.S. host live MTTs

That means you have 40 separate regulatory bodies wondering what they can do to make sure this WONT happen in their state.

If you were them, and your purpose was to provide safe secure gaming in your state for players and casinos, and when that fails it looks bad on you, then what do you do. You put the most stringent rules you can in place without regard to economics.
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01-25-2014 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ZenForest
Not that I can see.

Link to original report of arrest in NC w/list of others arrested.

http://blog.drivinglaws.org/2008/10/...house-arrests/

copy/paste names of those arrested ( see below) . (don't see a Jesse Letchworth)
yea, my bad. I misunderstood. **runs off to edit previous post**
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01-25-2014 , 08:29 PM
good news?
the fact that the Borgata has not returned my last 2 emails or a phone call regarding my desire to get a free room for main event I'm taking to mean (as one of the final 27) they are committed to paying me my cut of prize pool. because they have already accepted the coming 1.433 million loss they do not feel obligated to assuage our present frustration. ignorance is bliss but maybe my backward thinking has some merit
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01-25-2014 , 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ZenForest
So how do Poker Rooms combat this ?

http://www.alibaba.com/quotation-det...240875439.html

Chinese co's selling counterfeit chips of all Major Poker Rooms & Events !!!
And... consider the cost to him to do the scam. Did you see the purported original quote to Lusardi?

For 1000 fake chips they were quoting $0.077 - $0.088 per chip.

So he decides to do the deed and orders 1000 chips in $5000 denominations..there's the purported $5 Million.

And the cost to him? About $80.. plus shipping ( but it's free if he's an Amazon Prime customer ). $80 to try to pull this off!!!
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01-25-2014 , 08:33 PM
not exactly George Clooney, Lusardi's mug shot

http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/c...a4bcf887a.html
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01-25-2014 , 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by pninwin
good news?
the fact that the Borgata has not returned my last 2 emails or a phone call regarding my desire to get a free room for main event I'm taking to mean (as one of the final 27) they are committed to paying me my cut of prize pool. because they have already accepted the coming 1.433 million loss they do not feel obligated to assuage our present frustration. ignorance is bliss but maybe my backward thinking has some merit
I feel for you. I don't understand why the hell they're not communicating with you. I've never been to the Borgota, but it's beginning to sound like a **** hole customer service wise.
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01-25-2014 , 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by someguy99
I feel for you. I don't understand why the hell they're not communicating with you. I've never been to the Borgota, but it's beginning to sound like a **** hole customer service wise.
wow, literally just got email 6 minutes after post comping my room. whining works i guess
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01-25-2014 , 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by pninwin
wow, literally just got email 6 minutes after post comping my room. whining works i guess
Tad Deutsch finally read this and decided to take some action.
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01-25-2014 , 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by pninwin
wow, literally just got email 6 minutes after post comping my room. whining works i guess
They comp you a room?
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01-25-2014 , 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Royal17
They comp you a room?
yup, of course not free...will be dumping $3500 in main event. my "no poker until check arrives" pledge lasted 48 hours
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01-25-2014 , 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by AlwaysDrawingDead
Chris will likely plead guilty and take a deal. This would mean a full confession with specific details as to when he added the chips.

Anyone knocked out before this should not be refunded. This is of course assuming others weren't involved.
So, you just want to take his word for when the counterfeits were introduced to the event?
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01-25-2014 , 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by pninwin
yup, of course not free...will be dumping $3500 in main event. my "no poker until check arrives" pledge lasted 48 hours
Gl gl
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01-25-2014 , 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by AdamSchwartz
FYI we had Matt Savage on the Pokercast this week to talk about lots of the issues surrounding the Borgata incident.
Link please
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01-25-2014 , 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by pninwin
yup, of course not free...will be dumping $3500 in main event. my "no poker until check arrives" pledge lasted 48 hours

don't forget to flush
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01-25-2014 , 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by PTLou
agreed on trollability not being zero (wiki def: probability that one is a troll).

he could have heard about the toilet from anyone, which I didn't consider at first as the first I ever about the toilet was from him on here.

also the statue of limitations is up on my erroneous use of "one in the same" . thanks for fixing that... just in case I ever were to use that in conversation or the writing for something that has more embarrassing consequences than NVG, where we are free to express our lack of knowledge and stupidity openly.

some take that form of expression to earthshattering levels, others not so much. I'm probably somewhere in the middle.
It's a sculpture of limitations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq8gfaFqFpI
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01-25-2014 , 10:07 PM
I live right down the street from that place the arrests were made. how come I cant find a poker game ever?
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01-25-2014 , 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by riverph7
Link please
uper left hand corner of your screen....2+2 Pokercast
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