FYP.

Oh, and since I've seen you post it a couple of times now - it's "one and the same".

Wait, what? Did I miss an announcement that the last 27 players aren't getting any share of the remaining prize pool?

While it was not Borgata's fault that someone attempted a scam, it is their fault that he was able to pull it off for as long as he did.

Look at this another way - if tournament chips were redeemable for cash at Borgata's cage do you think Borg would have had such weak security measures in place? Of course not. The only reason security over tournament chips is weak is because - until now - the casino thought it had no liability if a little bit of fraud occurred and honest customers got screwed.

Sites like TMZ, SmokingGun, etc. are always posting copies of the arresting officer's report within a day or less of the arrest. Can that be done for NJ? Might be an interesting read. I tried to find it myself with no luck but I am somewhat web challenged.

Men Nguyen is the Richard Jewell of poker.

jjjou:

It's funny, but back in June of 1972 when those five or six burglars were caught redhanded inside Democratic Party headquarters at the Watergate, the first word out of the mouth of Ron Ziegler (Nixon's press secretary) was: "This was a third rate burglarly and we had absolutely nothing to do with it!" Twenty-five months later Nixon resigned from office.

I'll wait for all the evidence to come out before I conclusively declare this is a one man job. Also, I prefaced my remarks by declaring "this is mere speculation," so who is the moron?

Yeah, the good old days where you could only cheat if you paid the right people a fair price.

agreed on trollability not being zero (wiki def: probability that one is a troll).

he could have heard about the toilet from anyone, which I didn't consider at first as the first I ever about the toilet was from him on here.

also the statue of limitations is up on my erroneous use of "one in the same" . thanks for fixing that... just in case I ever were to use that in conversation or the writing for something that has more embarrassing consequences than NVG, where we are free to express our lack of knowledge and stupidity openly.

some take that form of expression to earthshattering levels, others not so much. I'm probably somewhere in the middle.

I don't know why you can not understand the premise that if you busted out before the counterfeit chips were introduced that you were not effected by the cheating and cannot blame the loss of your entry on the cheating or cancellation of the tournament.

I don't think there is proof at this time when the chips were introduced. If the borgata cant show when it happened, pay everyone. But if they are able to link all the chips to this guy on day 1b, don't pay the 1 a bustouts, that money belongs to the top 27.

Senator, I demand an apology for Men Ngyuen. I demand an apology, Senator!!!!

Yeah, sure one person might get a 1st place ICM check a few months from now

But it won't be as much as 1st was. And it's not the same as fighting through to a final, winning, and collecting money.

@7thecho: Attn: NJDGE: a precedent has to be set in which the penalty is so severe this will likely never happen again! #chipgate

@7thecho: I'm also donating my winnings to the animal shelter in AC for I want No ill-gotten gains and refuse to accept defeat from someone else's!

You don't come to Las Vegas and talk to a man like Men Nguyen like THAT!

Without mere speculation:
Still you, Mr. Lawson.

re: more than Christian involved

cross check final 27 with the 39 arrested in Fayettville homegame in 08

WP, sir.

And yeah, hope I didn't come off as a nit - I'd want someone to do the same for me.

So you're expecting that only a small portion of the prize pool is going to be paid out to players?

nothing there, i don't think.

Damn, good idea! Although I also wasn't able to find any details on this arrest I did find 2 previous cases where he plead guilty for fraud-related charges in New Jersey:

New Jersey Criminal Records Check



The middle initial "P" and birth year of 1971 match details from the news story posted earlier about him running a gambling ring.

First Case
Sentence date: February 19, 1993
Charges : THEFT BY UNLAWFUL TAKING, THEFT BY DECEPTION x2, THEFT CREDIT CARDS-TAKING, UNLAWFUL CREDIT CARD USE, FORGERY x 3, CONSPIRACY
Resolution: Plea bargain
Sentence: 1 year probation, $300 court fees, $10358.45 restitution

Second Case
Sentence date: April 15, 1994
Charges: RECEIVING STOLEN PROPERTY-KNOWINGLY x 2
Resolution: Plea bargain
Sentence: 20 days time served (?), 80 hours service, $50 court fee, 3 years probation

The sentencing details are interesting, notice he avoided jail time, community service and lengthy probation despite some serious looking charges, but paid a specific amount of restitution. This suggests a deal where he paid back the victims the exact amount he defrauded them in exchange for a very light sentence. Also note he had 10K in cash available to make the restitution payments in 1993.

So there's a further history of fraud related crimes dating back to 1993 in addition to his 2008 conviction and current accusations.

I think either Borgata,state police or FBI will cross check the list of 39 or any one has any connection to Christian and played this event

He does say in one if his posts that he was not the player but he was behind it all and going to take the fall

The police explicitly state that he introduced his fake chips into the tournament multiple times.

What part of that are you guys not understanding?

If only the NSA had a way of linking all the crims through mobile phone and internet usage

I'm not sure I follow.

No, I'm expecting the final 27 will be paid out the money that is left by some method. But will all be happy about that? Is getting a check in the mail, the same experience as playing it out? Some people also play poker for the excitement and experience.

The tournament was canceled. No one had a chance to win the trophy.

"multiple times" is pretty much meaningless. Could mean multiple times on Day 1c, multiple times on Day 1b and c, multiple times on days 1a-1c. Does not mean or imply on all days.

If this is a reply to my post I was talking about the speculation as to whether jbic is CL or not

One thing, I find interesting is that Lusardi had many more fake chips than he could possibly have hoped to introduce into play. 2.7 million were apparently recovered by Harrahs from the backed up drains but who knows how many others were safely flushed away before the plumbing backed up. Also it's possible that Lusardi fled the hotel room with even more chips after the flushing fiasco and dumped them elsewhere.

Surely Borgata must have known there were over a million more chips in play than there was supposed to be , but it seems they only took action after they heard about the chip dumping at Harrahs.