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Borgata finds counterfeit 5k chips in WPO #1-Cncls event-Arrest made-Lawsuit filed-*RULING OUT* Borgata finds counterfeit 5k chips in WPO #1-Cncls event-Arrest made-Lawsuit filed-*RULING OUT*

01-25-2014 , 03:05 PM
He never posted here. Figure it out. That was a level. That same account logged in today while he is in jail. So many 2+2'ers wanting to make themselves feel important like this site had anything to do with catching this guy. Sad. In fact, the more you post this ridiculous BS the more I think you are someone trying to help build a phony story for your loser, cheating, scumbag friend.
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01-25-2014 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by PTLou
yeah. putting myself in his shoes trying to figure out how he thought flushing could be any better than just sticking in backpack or suitcase and checking out.

He must have thought the police were on the way and he would be apprehended in the lobby ??? but it was the damn chips in the pipes that led the cops to him. confused. cant wait to here whole story when the other scammers get caught.

makes no sense. put them in your suitcase, drive to a mcdonalds down the turnpike a ways and throw them away with the remains of your happy meal.



good summary. I agree with highlighted as long it can be PROVEN NO fake chips were introduced before level XX. Honestly I don't know how one would go about proving that to be true.

When were 5K chips first in play? starting stack?
there's like 10000 better ways to get rid of chips. he must have panicked and started flushing them down the toilet. he was afraid to leave his room with them on his person.

are the toilets in harrah's highly pressurized? i forgot. I know the ones at foxwoods sound like rockets and flush instantly with high pressure. he must have thought there was no way the chips could be traced back to his specific toilet (ditto). I am also curious how the heck they were traceable back to his toilet. the chips must have not gone a few feet from his toilet in the pipes, lol.

I think this guy just had real bad luck with the toilet method. Also, i don't think it's too far fetched that he did this completely on his own. Unless he had real close friends that he could trust to do with this with him, going in with other scum bags would be a real bad idea from the start (snitching, more chances of mistakes, leveraging, blackmail, etc). But this guy might not be that intelligent to begin with.
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01-25-2014 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by PTLou
I agree with highlighted as long it can be PROVEN NO fake chips were introduced before level XX. Honestly I don't know how one would go about proving that to be true.

When were 5K chips first in play? starting stack?
Chris will likely plead guilty and take a deal. This would mean a full confession with specific details as to when he added the chips.

Anyone knocked out before this should not be refunded. This is of course assuming others weren't involved.
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01-25-2014 , 03:08 PM
he admits it right here:

"What happened is some of the chips were "stolen" and put in play by probably several people. There are reasons and explanations that simply can't be revealed."

his post comes off like he is trying to protect the other villains. And he thinks he will have a payday once released for taking the fall...
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01-25-2014 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by HGD
He never posted here. Figure it out. That was a level. That same account logged in today while he is in jail. So many 2+2'ers wanting to make themselves feel important like this site had anything to do with catching this guy. Sad. In fact, the more you post this ridiculous BS the more I think you are someone trying to help build a phony story for your loser, cheating, scumbag friend.
what if he posted from a phone and police opened the web browser and twoplustwo came up? what if it was from a public computer and he didnt log out?
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01-25-2014 , 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by AlwaysDrawingDead

Lastly, everyone should not be refunded. Its important for Casino's to profit from poker tournys or they will decrease the number they run or increase rake. As a community, we shouldn't unjustly demand they pay refunds. The only solution is for a chop for the remaining 27 and demand the casino makes changes to decrease the chances of this happening again.
No, as a community we should demand they run tournaments where this kind of **** doesn't happen. If they truly had no idea there were fake chips in play until Harrah's told them, that's really really bad.

Anyone who was playing when this scumbag put these chips into play was potentially affected is owed their money back.
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01-25-2014 , 03:11 PM
I sincerely hope the Borgata only refunds the buy in so no scumbags will prosper from this.
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01-25-2014 , 03:13 PM
From that photo it appears this is the company that sold him the chips.

http://dgjunyi.en.alibaba.com/produc..._products.html
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01-25-2014 , 03:14 PM
maybe he was using a friends account to post his story he is obviously scum but I think his henchmen are still trying to get a big payday in the top 27
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01-25-2014 , 03:14 PM
Dumb question: Was this a tournament where the players could play all three flights and pick which stack they play day 2 or was it just unlimited entry on your day 1?
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01-25-2014 , 03:19 PM
or maybe it was his friend that posted and he is still going to turn himself in on Monday.
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01-25-2014 , 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
Dumb question: Was this a tournament where the players could play all three flights and pick which stack they play day 2 or was it just unlimited entry on your day 1?
You could play all 3 day 1's and advance your best stack.
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01-25-2014 , 03:22 PM
Anyone know if he played more than one day1?
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01-25-2014 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by nbajam
No, as a community we should demand they run tournaments where this kind of **** doesn't happen. If they truly had no idea there were fake chips in play until Harrah's told them, that's really really bad.

Anyone who was playing when this scumbag put these chips into play was potentially affected is owed their money back.
This kind of thing could have happened anywhere. Most place including WSOP have inexperienced dealers and there are not tons of floor people around.

Build a tournament where there is no chance of cheating and you probably increase the rake a big amount and its not viable for professional players to play.

Borgata has always run a really good room so they will probably end up giving refunds even though what happened is not their fault.

This guy is going to get a big time punishment so don't expect a bunch more of these scandals.

People should look at it as 10 years of these big tournaments without a big scandal. Just tweak the mode a little bit and everything is fine.
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01-25-2014 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by cicakman
everyones starting stack had 2 5k at least.

Its gonna be tough for borgata to draw a line somewhere. They cant really prove when people busted and when exactly the chips were put into play. If they are going to give refunds then it will be for everyone. It will be too big of a ****storm to refund 1/3rd of the total players or something. They dont really want to piss off 2500 other players.

I can't think of a way someone could PROVE that NO fake chips were in first level, other then trusting what the scammers say once they are all in custody.

then everyone (that's not a proven scammer) and didn't cash, should get full refund.

Any other solution and seems like a pretty simple $1-2M (sum of all buyins that did not cash) class action suit that plenty of plantiff atty's would be licking their chops over... they rake 30-50%.

Borgata execs know this. easy decision to pay all

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01-25-2014 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by youshameusitalians
I think he had accomplices and when he posted that he was going to turn himself in. His accomplises decided to rat him out so they would not get blamed. It seems like a big coincidence that he got popped the day after he posted here about turning himself in. So I am sure the accomplises are itt reading and participating. There is no way this was a one man job and if anyone says it was they are probably trying to sway the attention away from the others. I would not be surprised if they are in the 27 waiting to get paid.
No one is stupid enough to do this alone, it makes no sense at all. I hope they find and bust the other scumbags.
Has it been absolutely proven and confirmed that "justbecauseican" and Christian Lusardi are one and the same person? If there are multiple accomplices in this caper, then they should be sweating (and retaining lawyers) because prosecutors usually cut the best deal with the person who talks first. By being the first "rat" to turn on his partners in crime, Lusardi may not be as dumb as everybody thinks. (If there are accomplices and he's singing like Beverly Sills, he'll probably be out of the clink in less than five years.)

Besides flushing those chips down the toilet, (and getting involved in this crazy scheme in the first place), the only really dumb thing I can think Lusardi did was posting here on 2+2 Thursday night - if it was actually him. OTOH, maybe he had a good reason for doing that ... Who knows?

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01-25-2014 , 03:39 PM
Obviously if they are giving refunds it will be to every player who played the event. Anyone suggesting otherwise - lol
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01-25-2014 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by youshameusitalians
why would he write a book about being a idiot while he is in prison? He obviously has a story to tell.

pretty sure his story has more than just him as the villain.
Somebody has already posted an email message from a Chinese chip supplier to Christian, dated last October, giving a quote on chip prices. In his six Thursday night posts, "yesjustbecauseican" was insisting that there is more to this than people [currently] know. yjbic also expressed concern that certain people (like perhaps himself?) might be susceptible to "physical harm" if he were to reveal too much before he turned himself in.

This is mere speculation, but what if Lusardi is part of a massive systematic chip selling scam - possibly put together by members of organized crime or even a syndicate of Russian gangsters. Those folks are known for using violence and intimidation to keep people quiet. Lusardi may have been a perfect mark (and the perfect fall guy) to set up for an operation like this.
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01-25-2014 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan C. Lawhon
Somebody has already posted an email message from a Chinese chip supplier to Christian, dated last October, giving a quote on chip prices. In his six Thursday night posts, "yesjustbecauseican" was insisting that there is more to this than people [currently] know. yjbic also expressed concern that certain people (like perhaps himself?) might be susceptible to "physical harm" if he were to reveal too much before he turned himself in.

This is mere speculation, but what if Lusardi is part of a massive systematic chip selling scam - possibly put together by members of organized crime or even a syndicate of Russian gangsters. Those folks are known for using violence and intimidation to keep people quiet. Lusardi may have been a perfect mark (and the perfect fall guy) to set up for an operation like this.
Throughout this entire thread, I must say you can turn something that seems so inconsequential in to something that sounds so sexy. I applaud you for stirring the pot so these trolls have something to read. I LOLd at your post, though.
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01-25-2014 , 03:59 PM
So far, it looks more like a one-man operation to me.



I don't see any evidence of delegation or division of labor in the purchasing of chips, or in disposing of them.

Of course, I don't know if he traveled with or corresponded with other entrants to the tournament.
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01-25-2014 , 04:03 PM
So in your mind it has gone from one scumbag who is idiotic enough to try to flush the evidence down the toilet to an international mob conspiracy where jbic is now a patsy like Oswald? Who is Ruby? Is the CIA and FBI involved too?

God, you are a moron.
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01-25-2014 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan C. Lawhon
Has it been absolutely proven and confirmed that "justbecauseican" and Christian Lusardi are one and the same person? If there are multiple accomplices in this caper, then they should be sweating (and retaining lawyers) because prosecutors usually cut the best deal with the person who talks first. By being the first "rat" to turn on his partners in crime, Lusardi may not be as dumb as everybody thinks. (If there are accomplices and he's singing like Beverly Sills, he'll probably be out of the clink in less than five years.)

Besides flushing those chips down the toilet, (and getting involved in this crazy scheme in the first place), the only really dumb thing I can think Lusardi did was posting here on 2+2 Thursday night - if it was actually him. OTOH, maybe he had a good reason for doing that ... Who knows?
Are you people ****ing kidding here? It wasn't him, never was, never will be. I see why so many from the poker community are turned off by 2+2. It is beyond annoying trying to read real interesting info in between all the conspiracy theorist's BS. 1 dirt tooth decided to cheat and ****ed up a great value tourney for everyone who entered. I noticed that most of the posters who think this was really him are delusional losers who have nothing better to do with their time other than post nonsense on 2+2 or clearly his friends trying to run phony theories. The dude is a no talent dirt tooth, and now he can enjoy his $8k in jail.

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01-25-2014 , 04:12 PM
Having the same person purchase the chips, introduce the chips into play, and dispose of the chips does not sound the plan of any known organized crime faction. Such a sequence does not qualify for the term "organized".

Based on a review of his 2008 arrest in Fayetteville, N.C. , it would make sense to look into the location of and communication with a certain member of his family. Just to cover all the bases.
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01-25-2014 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by betgo
When they say $2.7M in fake chips in the toilet, it sounds good in the story, but it is really about $70K in fake chips, 2.7M chips at 20K for $500.

Why wouldn't you dump them in some dumpster, lol?

Some people think they won the lottery, like they are going to refund everyone's buyins. It would be nice, but don't see why they should do that because of one cheater.
Because no one had a chance to win? So many factors lusardi bust man from what ever day he played which makes them play the next flight and they in turn bust others which they wouldn't have had lusardi not introduced chips
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01-25-2014 , 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by scambuster
Some folks question on whether the day 1a losers should get a refund. Of course they should because the event was cancelled. By cancelling the event they had no shot at winning should they have gone on. It is like a rainout or a no-action event in the sports book.
Exactly. And there's other factors people lusardi busted because of his edge making them re enter or enter another flight and making them bust people because lusardi busted them when really lusardi should of been. Busted
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