Besides the one 2p2er that proposed the dude as a suspect early on, in what way did 2p2 help in this investigation? Seems like this entire thread has mostly been blaming Mehn (sp?) and worrying about payouts. Been interesting to read, but I would not be congratulating 2p2 for anything.

I would imagine this guy will plead out the case. He will probably get a few months in jail or house arrest and a fine.

Anyone know if any of the remaining 27 have any relation to the scumbag arrested?

Agreed. Doesn't look like he was sorting them. He might have thought that would have made him look suspicious, but then again I find myself sorting out odd looking chips, dirty from dirtier, etc. from time to time at the table. If I was the one that introduced the fake chips I might want to keep them all mixed to not draw attention to them.

But...but he got one of the facts right! And he knew about the fake chips! HOW CAN THIS BE!!!!!!!!

Seriously though can't believe how many ****ing people decided it had to be him. Like 100% sure. Half of the stuff he wrote was stuff I already knew. The other half could have been from an accomplice, educated guesses, or someone with inside information due to knowing a lot of people. People are so gullible. And this guy didn't even claim to be Lusardi! Sheesh

Speaking of "harsh sentences," (as in the kind written on paper), everybody should check out Max Shapiro's column in the current issue of Card Player magazine. Max skewers Chainsaw with some hilarious over-the-top humor.

Allen: Is it really true that you pre-registered for 50 events at the WSOP and then withdrew from all 50 of them a few days later just to get the free meal tickets? Very classy ...

or someone set him up to take the fall?

anyone else in his room via hotel info from Harrahs?

It kind of does look like a lone wolf deal so far, but if there were more players involved, I would hate for them to get away scott free and undetected...

I am a total outsider - didn't play in the tourney, have no inside knowledge.

For ****s and giggles, here are the two interesting points to me:

1 - Timing

The police report says that the sequence of events went: flushed chips, leaky pipes, harrahs notifies borgata, and then ostensibly borgata starts investigating (while allowing the tournament to continue).

The question that occurs to me is: why did he flush the chips? One would think it would be because he was worried that someone/the Borgata had caught on that something was wrong, and he wanted to get rid of the evidence before it tracked back to him. But according to the police report, Borgata didn't know before the chips were flushed. So it's not because the Borg was hot on his trail. So maybe he started hearing rumors about other players noticing something off with some of the chips. Or maybe he just lost his cool and cracked under the pressure.

2 - How he left

One poster here mentioned that he was at a table, and was the big stack, and was playing solid poker. This was on day 2 I guess? Then...something changed, and he started blindly going all in. Surely he must have decided at this point that it was time to GTFO of dodge because the heat was on. By this point the flushed chips story was out there. The police report (I think it was) also mentioned that he never went back to his room after the leaky pipes were reported, so he must have immediately just gone into hiding after getting knocked out. Did he even go and get his cash for his finish?

Lots of people are saying they would have just tossed the chips in the ocean. That makes sense, unless he thinks that they are investigating already. If it ever comes back to him, they're going to have him on surveillance walking out of his room, down the elevators, to the boardwalk, and out to the beach. It would probably take the cops less than 2 hours to find the chips as they start washing back up on shore. Even worse if he just plops them in a dumpster, they'll find those right away.

By flushing them, he gets rid of them in the one place there are no cameras to watch him do it. Too bad for him the pipes just weren't big enough or he didn't show enough patience.

What, is an drone with advanced infrared cameras (for nighttime and such) and foolproof identity detection going to follow right behind him, every step he takes? I really don't know what to make of this idea.

Once I won the first and only pot against him and I won that chip as seen everywhere now, it almost immediately went viral and everyone started talking about it. Of course my picture was in jest of Men, not knowing this clown would ever do this. My guess is he knew the heat was on almost from the get go. I actually passed the chip around the table and looking back on it now he didn't even acknowledge the chip. Strange.

Yup! Not sure if this helps but here's a zoom in:

I'm not sure I understand. Do you not think he (by which I mean, everyone in a casino) is on casino surveillance cameras from the moment he steps outside of his room to the moment he leaves the casino? Why would it need to be IR? The casino has lights on 24x7. I would bet they also have cameras on the Boardwalk outside of their establishments, too, especially given the crime that used to occur there.

Once he goes on to the beach maybe he's off camera, but they're going to know where he stepped off, and can probably find him coming back on depending on where it is, and from that they're going to know exactly how far he could have walked and therefore know where to search.

Well, according to the police report he added 200+ chips over the course of numerous occasions. I have no idea when or how early it was, but I doubt he continued to add chips once he felt like things were going off the rails so badly that he had to flush an even larger amount.

I think he had accomplices and when he posted that he was going to turn himself in. His accomplises decided to rat him out so they would not get blamed. It seems like a big coincidence that he got popped the day after he posted here about turning himself in. So I am sure the accomplises are itt reading and participating. There is no way this was a one man job and if anyone says it was they are probably trying to sway the attention away from the others. I would not be surprised if they are in the 27 waiting to get paid.
No one is stupid enough to do this alone, it makes no sense at all. I hope they find and bust the other scumbags.

I was thinking about this and there could be another angle too. If he's a broke degen the winning an extra $2k for being a day 1 leader and then getting into some decent money wouldn't be too bad of a thing. If he only had to fire one bullet he profited almost $9k and by busting out like he did maybe he thought it would deflect attention from him when the figured out that there was an extra million in play and the chips were pretty easy to spot. The flushing down the toilet was a pretty dumb move but if he hadn't done that I'm wondering if he would have been caught?

yeah. putting myself in his shoes trying to figure out how he thought flushing could be any better than just sticking in backpack or suitcase and checking out.

He must have thought the police were on the way and he would be apprehended in the lobby ??? but it was the damn chips in the pipes that led the cops to him. confused. cant wait to here whole story when the other scammers get caught.

makes no sense. put them in your suitcase, drive to a mcdonalds down the turnpike a ways and throw them away with the remains of your happy meal.

good summary. I agree with highlighted as long it can be PROVEN NO fake chips were introduced before level XX. Honestly I don't know how one would go about proving that to be true.

When were 5K chips first in play? starting stack?

why would he write a book about being a idiot while he is in prison? He obviously has a story to tell.

pretty sure his story has more than just him as the villain.

The prosecutor should want to make an example of this scumbag. A plea deal is fine. But the sentence that should be agreed upon should be for several years instead of a lot of years.

As far as a fine is concerned, he probably cannot afford to pay one.

So how do Poker Rooms combat this ?

http://www.alibaba.com/quotation-det...240875439.html

Chinese co's selling counterfeit chips of all Major Poker Rooms & Events !!!

also that person with the low post count that posted the screen shot of wwwalibaba was no coincidence.


There is no way in hell he randomly found that. I would IP check that person for sure.


This whole story stinks of a cover up.

i thought the same thing....

I will bet the other scums are in the top 27 they should just get there buy in back and be lucky they are not arrested.

everyones starting stack had 2 5k at least.

Its gonna be tough for borgata to draw a line somewhere. They cant really prove when people busted and when exactly the chips were put into play. If they are going to give refunds then it will be for everyone. It will be too big of a ****storm to refund 1/3rd of the total players or something. They dont really want to piss off 2500 other players.

Some people, especially people born in the early seventies, actually believe that things disappear for ever if you flush it down the toilet.

Sorry Bud, I want a full refund and anything short is unacceptable.
Play was altered for players from day 1. It becomes systemic. I play in casinos
Because I want the oversight and security. The Borgata failed to do the most basic task of reconciling the chips at the end of play each day. I hear the arguments about how every time a cheat brings in a few chips the event could be cancelled but this wasn't a few chips and somebody is going to jail. I and my friend are as good poker customers of the borgata but anything short of a refund we will play the hundred other places around the country.

Originally Posted by justbecauseican View Post
"Ok time some facts .
An arrest will be made Monday. Or I should say the responsible party will be turning themselves in on Monday.
There was NO inside involvement. This will be extremely bizarre as the reasons are complicated. There was never supposed to be extra chips added. It was more of a "set someone up" kinda thing. Any avid poker player knows its impossible to put 200 plus extra chips in play. If so the other 5 million would have been added too. What happened is some of the chips were "stolen" and put in play by probably several people. There are reasons and explanations that simply can't be revealed. Someday maybe? But the of the matter is this was NOT supposed to have happened. The state will be pressing the steepest charges they can by law. After all someone has to take the blame and punishment. I can tell you that the person responsible is at a loss for words at the mess. It is unforgivable, and for many never forgotten. One day the exact story shall prevail. Some time in jail will allow plenty of time for writing a book perhaps. Who knows."



So it was more of a set someone up kind of thing hmmm I wonder if the person he chipdumped to is the person they were trying to set up for the win. He basically admits he was not alone. And this person he set up is for sure in the top 27 just saying this stinks to high hell