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Borgata finds counterfeit 5k chips in WPO #1-Cncls event-Arrest made-Lawsuit filed-*RULING OUT* Borgata finds counterfeit 5k chips in WPO #1-Cncls event-Arrest made-Lawsuit filed-*RULING OUT*

01-26-2014 , 05:28 AM
as it relates to the whodunit part of this thread.

this from an article on calvinayre.com

http://http://calvinayre.com/2014/01/25/poker/arrest-in-borgata-bogus-chip-scandal/


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Even more intriguing is the possibility that Lusardi was ‘justbecauseican’, the poster who appeared Thursday night in the 2+2 ‘chipgate’ thread claiming inside knowledge regarding the scandal. The individual claimed to be “the responsible party” and said that “once I found out the chips made it into play, I flushed the rest down the toilet. Why the toilet? I don’t know. If Harrah’s had better plumbing I may not be posting this right now.” Although ‘justbecauseican’ had stated his intention to turn himself in, speculation has it that New Jersey authorities may have performed some IP-address sleuthing in order to track down the poster’s whereabouts, leading to Lusardi’s arrest on Friday.
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01-26-2014 , 05:39 AM
Is it really the case that increasing resources (e.g., more staff, more cameras) and putting in better control procedures, to minimize/eliminate risk of cheating, will have a dramatic impact on operating costs. Many itt seem to think so. I’d love for someone to provide realistic dollar estimates supporting this.
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01-26-2014 , 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by pokervangelist
Any players in Event 1 play with Thu Le? In final 27 and caught this article . This is around the same area as Christian Lusardi
This obv must be looked at since running same type illegal gambling house as Lusardi prob know each other
Don't know him, didn't play w/him, but anyone in the final 27 hailing from the same hometown as Christian Lusardi needs to be scrutinized, regardless of his prior arrest record. if this guy is isn't a part of Team Scumbag, i'll gladly buy him dinner at N.O.W.
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01-26-2014 , 06:24 AM
"Investigators said the dirty wheeler and dealer put the fake chips into play several times during the tournament, pulling in nearly $7,000." so a dealer is involved too?http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1590991
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01-26-2014 , 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by pokervangelist
Any players in Event 1 play with Thu Le? In final 27 and caught this article . This is around the same area as Christian Lusardi
This obv must be looked at since running same type illegal gambling house as Lusardi prob know each other
I've been spammed with home game invites from the Johnny Le guy...I dug up his email address and found a facebook page.

He is friends with a Le Anh Thu
could be his wife Thu Le

Idk rules about posting really so I didn't post his wife's picture but its easy to find...Would be REALLY interesting to see if its the same Thu Le in the final 27

Typically house men in NC all know each other and support other area games
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01-26-2014 , 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by timetowin00
"Investigators said the dirty wheeler and dealer put the fake chips into play several times during the tournament, pulling in nearly $7,000." so a dealer is involved too?http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1590991
LOL, I'd assume you're joking, but seeing as you provided a link to the article, maybe you're serious. Just in case:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/wheeler+and+dealer
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01-26-2014 , 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by TeamEdwardsPros
There was definitely fakes in play btw. More than the 4 chrome 5ks.
One of the problems of writing a long post on a forum full of ADHD degenerates is the issue that said degens won't make it past the first 2 sentences. Those that do, and are even featured prominently in the the long post, tend to try and read it all. However, by the third sentence they become drooling, addreall deprived monkeys and like monkeys are only thinking, "when will this end so I can play with my penis?". Comprehension abilities vanish when the mere thought of masturbation enters the monkey's brain.

I'm not sure when your penis (and diddling it) first entered your mind, but nothing in my post even suggested that I questioned the undeniable fact that there were counterfeits introduced. In fact, I tried to make it clear that the amount introduced should probably never impact TD's thinking because 1% is completely acceptable variance.

TL/DR - Don't think about your penis so much.
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01-26-2014 , 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Professionalpoker
It will be now.
This is now the biggest issue IMO. How many scumbags will see a complete moron almost pulling this off. If he had been more careful and less greedy there's every chance he could have got away with it.
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01-26-2014 , 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by timetowin00
"Investigators said the dirty wheeler and dealer put the fake chips into play several times during the tournament, pulling in nearly $7,000." so a dealer is involved too?http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1590991
Damn those dirty wheelers
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01-26-2014 , 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Alan C. Lawhon
From reading his rap sheet it appears Christian Lusardi has plenty of experience with the criminal justice system. This includes the highly specialized skill of cutting (generous to him) plea bargain deals. (Has this guy spent any appreciable amount of time behind bars for all his crimes?)

I would love to be a fly on the wall in the detention facility where Lusardi is currently being held. He knows he's not going to be walking anytime soon, so he has all the incentive in the world to spill his guts. The NJDGE and the cops are surely sweating this guy for all the information he has. Lusardi has played this game before, so he's surely ratting out his buddies. If a well known pro (say somebody like Men the Master) is mixed up in this, Lusardi might be able to cut himself a good deal again since NJ authorities will more likely want to come down hard on the big fish rather than the patsy.

I can't wait for additional arrests. I love chaos and master criminal plots that go awry. One of my favorite lines is from the movie "Body Heat" where Mickey O'Rourke is explaining to William Hurt: "Hey counselor, with a crime like this [arson] there are a hundred ways you can get caught. If you figure out fifty of them, you're a genius - and you're no genius!"

This caper is going to wind up on "American Greed" - I just know it.
At least Ken Lambert isn't the TD at Borgata - He'd probably bail out Lusardi from the AC Jail and comp his room for the 2 day inconvenience.
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01-26-2014 , 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by DeuceKicker1
Is it really the case that increasing resources (e.g., more staff, more cameras) and putting in better control procedures, to minimize/eliminate risk of cheating, will have a dramatic impact on operating costs. Many itt seem to think so. I’d love for someone to provide realistic dollar estimates supporting this.
yes.. but other thread please

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01-26-2014 , 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Midnight Cowboy
anyone in the final 27 hailing from the same hometown as Christian Lusardi needs to be scrutinized
i could not agree more.

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Originally Posted by Midnight Cowboy
if this guy is isn't a part of Team Scumbag i'll gladly buy him dinner at N.O.W.
however, one of the reasons that places like Reddit have zero tolerance for doxing is that people who are innocent can get hurt (physical and reputation) when assumptions like this create mob mentality.

I know you did not dox anyone and I know this is NVG, but I think the common hometown is not enough to proclaim guilt. Fwiw, I remembered that this kid was called out as a "guaranteed conspirator" because 1. He was Asian so therefore HAD to be involved with Men Nguyen, and 2. because he had this previous arrest.

When I saw the Raleigh reference in the first official reports of Lusardi's arrest I knew it would only be a matter of time that this kid in the final 27 would be proclaimed guilty once again due to the NC connection.

It turns out that the early proclamations guaranteeing that MTM was the mastermind and that this kid was still a horse of his were baseless. Perhaps it would be fair to let it play out.

I suppose though that it is possible the kid and Lusardi are both part of Men's stable since this was the first time it was confirmed that an actual Asian actually lives in NC.
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01-26-2014 , 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Daman2c
I did some number crunching
Of the 27 players left
http://www.pokernews.com/live-report...ents/chips.htm
Chip Total: 97,370,000
Total Entries: 4812
Total Chips: 96,240,000
Difference in Posted Chip Count and Total Chips in play: 1,130,000
That equals 226 5K Chips (11 Stacks+6)
I counted at least 9 stacks of 5K chips in the pic that TeamEdwards guy posted.
Deja Vu ... posted by me: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=772

Also, regarding the name Cuong ... post here:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=458
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01-26-2014 , 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by pokervangelist
What about surrendered stacks where players played multiple days and kept best stack? Those chips would no longer be in play so stack sizes should be smaller than total player count, right?
Why would they surrender them vs blind them off, so the total chip counts do not change?

I would guess speed of the game, but I think logic and tracking trumps the small timesavings offered by surrending. (ie. removing from play)
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01-26-2014 , 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by PTLou
as it relates to the whodunit part of this thread.

this from an article on calvinayre.com

http://http://calvinayre.com/2014/01/25/poker/arrest-in-borgata-bogus-chip-scandal/
http://calvinayre.com/2014/01/25/pok...-chip-scandal/

Fixed your link...
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01-26-2014 , 08:50 AM
Speaking of margins of error, why has the discrepancy about our calculated 1.1 million difference in chips, and the reported "800k" in chips, not been pointed out? Is the 300k difference covered by color up errors/variance?
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01-26-2014 , 08:57 AM
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Digital photos are notorious for completely distorting subtle lighting differences that occur in the spectum between what our eye sees and what the camera photographs. The best way to see this is for you to take a coin out of your pocket and snap a digital pic. You will never get an accurate portrayal of the REAL, 100% unadulterated human eye match unless you have a $4,000 cam and 10 years experience.
There are plenty of issues with photos taken with camera phones, but this statement is just dumb. I assume the rest of your post is of equal quality.
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01-26-2014 , 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by ZomBParadox
ty sir. asked mod to fix in my post.

forgot to do the QA after developing the code
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01-26-2014 , 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by someguy99
Oh my, that article is hilarious! I love you Tiffany! lmao
I thinK HE meant TINA!
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01-26-2014 , 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Tabneedsfired
Borgata may or may not pay everyone a refund. However, this is an example of why they don't really need to.
Gamblers are going to gamble.
Well there are so many other reasons, borgata will do right thing.

Boyd Gaming Corporation
NYSE: BYD - Jan 24 4:02 PM ET
9.750. -$0.80 (7.58%)

Open 10.40
High 10.45
Low 9.67
Mkt cap 1.05B
P/E ratio -
Div yield -
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01-26-2014 , 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by riverph7
Well there are so many other reasons, borgata will do right thing.

Boyd Gaming Corporation
NYSE: BYD - Jan 24 4:02 PM ET
9.750. -$0.80 (7.58%)
The outcome from chipgate will not have much of an impact on investors. BYD had over a 50% ROI last year, it's the low expense high income online gaming market that drives this company, not bricks and mortar operations in places like Atlantic City.

A single day drop during a long overdue correction in the markets has nothing to do with Borgatas live poker operations.
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01-26-2014 , 11:26 AM
Was the post on someone talking to a supervisor saying they would refund deleted?
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01-26-2014 , 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by riverph7
Well there are so many other reasons, borgata will do right thing.

Boyd Gaming Corporation
NYSE: BYD - Jan 24 4:02 PM ET
9.750. -$0.80 (7.58%)

Open 10.40
High 10.45
Low 9.67
Mkt cap 1.05B
P/E ratio -
Div yield -
People need to stop drinking the Borgata kool aid.
I'm surprised that more participants are not demanding refunds.
The Borgata failed in its job to provide a safe and secure venue. They stretched its staff too thin. They ignored the signs of cheating
From a very early point on day one. It was brought to Tabs attention on day 1b that 5 k chips didn't look right. The problem here is there are too many Pot smoking P""ssys playing these days with no other plan in life that they are too lazy to stand up for player fairness. If I went to the store and bought 4 loafs of bread only to get home and find them all moldy. I would go back to the store and demand a refund. The pot smokers would just get the munchies and eat the Borgata bread.
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01-26-2014 , 11:30 AM
My two cents on yjbic's confession. I've read most of this thread over the last two days. When I got to his posts, I thought, well nothing here I haven't already seen itt. No idea why people are impressed with his knowledge of the chips clogging a Harrah's toilet. I mean I'm reading this thread from my bed watching cartoons with my son a thousand miles away. I could have written a confession with the same info.
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