yeah, Blitz, the self proclaimed poker king of the world is butthurt he faced a real pro player for the first time in his life. what a headline.

No jumps of faith at all. No one has publicly claimed to have made more money playing poker than Bilzerian so Perkins can't claim that he is in the same ballpark as a poker player whitout conceding Dan is a scumbag thief.
Either way if youy are a bad player with nitty tendencies and get ghosted by a bad aggro you are cheating your opponent. Any form of ghosting is cheating and if you are ghosted by the guy who claims to made the most money from poker ever that seems pretty serious cheating. No?

He is an hypocrite because obviously he knows Dan got his money from his fraudster dad, so he befriends a scumbag who stole millions while throwing a hissy fit about a 500/1k game that wasn't even rigged.

Why don't you take all your raging bliz boners to his thread.

I mean Perkins can say (and probably thinks) that "Bilzerian isn't a great poker player by any means, just like myself, but he played some very rich and very bad players and made a lot of money from it"

Either way, even if Bilzerian has the money he has due to it coming from his corporate raider father, and even if Bilzerian would be a terrible scumbag etc, that STILL doesn't justify Jungleman cheating the way he did. You can't cheat a cheater and be morally justified in doing so just because. Are you right that Perkins is a hypocrite in a sense? Yes. Does that make the cheating against him okay? No

I can appreciate your post and you are correct (along with @loctus above who is putting forth same point). Regardless of your place in life or your own morals or lack thereof you have the same human rights as anyone else... Yes, Jungle cheated.

But certainly you would have to agree in the massive hypocrisy on the part of perkins and blizz, summarized below. I think that is what many are calling out, though some (me included) did so with a large dose of disdain for blizz and/or perkins and as such support/justification for Jungle.

It's cheating either way. Any form of ghosting is cheating.

Only thing I said about Jungleman:

But I would say it's ok to cheat against two cheaters who don't repent their acts. Not willing to die on this hill and not gonna discuss this further cause this wasn't what happened. There were more people in the game...

I would only add about Jungleman that it was a really dumb move. If he came forward with this he would probably be invited by Bill to much juicier games and wouldn't have to cheat anyone out of their money.

I think this is an important point to keep in mind. Perkins and Bilzerian are (likely) not the only ones decieved here. Bigger picture, everyone.. Like, Jungle (probably) didn't just HU4rollz vs Perkins in these games. Lots of funplayers and others decieved

Just glad it wasn't Genius28

It's not an important point at all. If he cheated heads up vs perkins, that's somehow less serious in your mind?

As a Brit, what makes me laugh here, I can still vividly remember the Full Tilt scandal, Ultimate Bet scandal and wasnt there a 3rd? Absolute poker? either way.. there was a 3rd.

And yet these americans, only a few years later, are 'shocke'd that on unregulated, probably illegal sites / apps - there is collusion, bots, probably 'teams'.. hell i wouldnt be suprised if there was super users too!

I guess USA just needs legal poker again, on sites like Party

How are the general facts of what happened "not important at all"? I guess it's not important that it was in a poker game either? If he cheated in a chess match for money, that's somehow less serious in your mind? Why mention it was in a poker context at all?

JFC let's at least keep the general jist of what happened in mind without attacking someone who mentions facts

Perhaps I misunderstood you, seemed like you were suggesting that it's less serious depending on who's being cheated or if the table is heads up or not.

What I wanted to point out is that to keep in mind that it seems like Perkins/Bilzerian are not the only victims in that game. It seems like a larger homegame thing, probably ring games running, and then others will have been at the tables too. Not saying anything about that making it less or more serious Just that there are more people involved really

Sorry if I missed this but has either BP or DB confirmed how much jungle/whale took off them?

Perkins and Blizarian are butthurt after they tried to hustle a fish and then found out they were the fish.

reading this thread is a jungle unto itself

THIS. for any newcomers, read that threadh and you see how jungles character comes across...

I cant believe ppl even fell for that Girah thing.. For me it just came across as some 12 year old whos excited about one player. which happens in every sport / game around the world on like a daily basis..

And yet most of the poker community got sucked in by it lol. I mean surely the give away if when they started asking for large sums for coaching?

Well, I won't read the thread, just came here to say Blitz and Perky are disgusting douchebags with a completely pathetic inferiority complex whereas Jungle is a really interesting, likeable and hilarious character.

Deservedly stacked.

Jason Mo and Matt Glantz tweeted that almost all Pro's have multi'd, ghosted, or bought action of someone they knew was ghosting/ma.

You want to be a sheep and never multi or ghost? Go ahead and get slaughtered.

I dont think the BP/DB "multi-accounting" incident has any relevance to this situation at all, firstly if as Bill claims they asked the HU opponent beforehand if he minded and he said no, well there's nothing wrong with it at all.

Secondly, they did it whilst on a stream, whilst drinking, on a boat. It was very evidently not a malicious enterprise designed to extract EV/Money from people.

It's complete chalk and cheese and it's a waste of screen space to even mention in this thread really

It's Amazing how stupid you posts are. The amount of people stating things like they are facts when they aren't is astounding

wait. so you think Perkins has NEVER received advice/help real time from someone while he's played?????

Nope. Don't care. The victims are irrelevant. This isn't about Perkins or Douchearian. This isn't some cool "The Sting" type Phil Ivy Baccarat game-of-wits smooth-cool thing. It's all about Dan Cates. It's shitty low-rent cheating at cards. **** that. Card cheats are the worst. They suck ass. Junkies, card cheats....I'm trying to think of a non-violent sxxtbag crime to round out the trio, but I can't.

That's it. Junkies and card cheats. And once you decide to become a card cheat, that's what you are. You did it. No-one else. You. Yay Jungle.You're so cool.

You think Jungleman is some sort of Robin Hood character? "Well....I'll only scam and cheat those who DESERVE it and then distribute the winnings to those in need." Lololol.

****ing grubby actions from a ****ing grubby person.

There's no way to justify this on Jungle's part, none. The guy who got Jungle's help knows it's cheating. Jason Koon knew it was cheating. The cheated parties are pretty aggrieved over it.