so if i had to wildly speculate and i dont but i will....... i would guess that people who were tight with perkins used someone elses account on some speculative at best poker app and beat perkins out of "rutherford be crazy dolla dolla bills yall ". perkins finds out from one of his feeder fish pros that hang around who is an actual friend that perkins got cheated by imposter friend feeder fish pro . now perkins has mixed emotions about outing them , perkins making a bad judgement call that this person with low moral integrity will take the moral option and out themselves.

you have to give them incentive perkins choice B needs to be shittier than choice A its the only way to make a scumbag do the right thing.

I knew that all cyclists doped and was shocked to see those major sponsorship deals.

To get on topic. I retract my suspection of Daniel negreanu. I always though of him as one of the honest players. And as the sketch picture shows he does not have blue eyes.

But who is it then? Poker heroes?? Top 7?
Huge stakes regular? Friendly with koon?

We already know the story. It is basically what I speculated earlier in the thread. It has been confirmed by Bill in tweets since.

Considering Koon was one of the people approached. It does make it more likely it is someone in that circle that frequents the Triton events. Not pointing to anyone in particular as I have no clue.

hahahahahahaHA!

I like the way you think , we should get an apartment together or something.

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In 2015, when Brian Hastings cheated by playing on well-known UK gambler Noel Hayes' account on PokerStars, a site that had explicit rules against multiaccount, he told a fair few people in the ecosystem that he was on the account. His friends and the like.

When his other opponents found out, they were a little angry, but players like Isaac Haxton (who covered for Brian with silence for a short time as a PokerStars representative) and his high stakes cohorts circled the wagons to defend the practice.

Sorry Bill, but precedent was established 5 years ago. Most high stakes players don't give a flying **** about multiaccounting, even on sites where its one player to an account. It's accepted practice by the high stakes community to scum the information game as long as they can keep that information within their clique.

So 20 pages later and this guy is still cucking the cheaters? Why is thread open?

I don't think anyone will disagree with this post. It still doesn't mean the affected party doesn't have the right to out people involved. That is all that is going on here. There is no way that this can be policed by any of the sites but if people want to act like scum and take part in these things then they have to also be aware that if they do get caught they will be outed publically.

Did the players involved in the Noel Hayes thing at the time get money returned by the site?

Facts. But it's not just "high stakes players" that don't care about ghosting/ma. Small, medium, high stakes, people that don't play much but are still fans of the games, etc....don't care. Do some care? Sure. But the overwhelming majority could not care less.

Do you think Phil Ivey would be less respected by the masses if it were proven he multi'd (which he obv has)? We know high stakes players don't really care. You think a 2-5 grinder does? Think an Ivey fan watching him on ESPN does?

You think Perkins has never gotten real time advice from one of his "friends"???

Can you not see that this is much different than multiaccounting or ghosting on PokerStars. This is an invite only private game. This is cheating on a much more personal level which is why BP was extremely hurt.

Both sites had explicit rules against the process and both instances were cheating in my view, and in a lot of players' views with integrity. The high stakes cliques that fellate billionaires to get action have a different view. The same people that were involved in shutting down any criticism of Brian Hastings are still around in this high stakes scene.

I think it's cheating in both aspects and would never do it. And never have. Neither do the people I associate with.

The reason small stakes players don't care is because it doesn't affect their games.

I agree with the fact that because this is a friend it should give people a certain level of trust in the game which is why this is different. Similarly, though the reference he makes was related to an HS player buying a fish account to sucker people into playing them. The fact this was invite-only with friends does make this quite different. For whatever pro was involved though both are similar stories.

Right. My post was poorly worded. This sucks for Bill, who thought he was getting a fair game. I think the Hastings Defense Team should show up and let Bill know that actually this isn't a big deal, because that was their line in 2015.

To my knowledge, PokerStars closed the case without returning any money. Brian Hastings admitted culpability and returned money to many players. He specifically taunted me and said I would receive nothing for my "crime" of outing him.

A couple years after he sent me an unsolicited PM challenging me to heads up, I guess it still bothers him a little bit.

This makes me lean towards Mikita, TT or NEgreanu. DN doesn't play on apps tho does he? so more likely Mikita or TT. Are they considered "poker heroes?"

Edit: Brian Hastings will always be a douche. Did he ever pay back blom or others he cheated?

A lot of people on twitter are pointing it out to be Chidwick. So sick.,

Are they really though? Why say something like this without any links/pics

WP Perkins. You threaten to out the cheater and then accept hush money to stay silent about it.

So cheating = bad but extortion = good?

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Did bill explain how they were cheating?

Agree 1000%%%%% with Bakes posts above. Pretty much everyone VPNS, MA, shares accounts, since Black Friday and they all seem to think it is fine among pros (I'm not american so I dunno).

The best part of this is the morale police FOH)Rider who spent the last 5 years bashing everyone for doing this type of stuff in his videos/twitter when he ran a VPN staking stable after Black Friday.

Then his sycophant butt buddy comes in 2p2 (hi TK) and bashes everyone too.

Buts its aite when FOH)Rider does it lol

oh this is what it was ghosting? Ya they gotta give him his money back. If you are playing a fish and jungleman (not saying jungle was part of this just an example) takes over without your knowledge it goes from fish to world class player thats not fair. I don't see how thats not cheating.

Pros ghosting recs in the game through Teamviewer.

Nobody doubts that. It’s just that this is basically the only thing going on here: Bill getting betrayed by a friend.

Something that happens everywhere, all the time. Is it unfortunate? Yes, definitely. Is it a big deal? Certainly to him personally but not for poker in general. He claimed it was bigger than Mike Postle even though that was an elaborate cheat. Here we have a bruised ego and not much more.

Maybe you never did anything unethical in your time as a poker pro. But you’re probably in the minority with that and I highly doubt none of the people you associate with ever did something unethical. How many serious poker players are not guilty of hiding that fact in order to get into a good private game for example?