So a guy who's dad defrauded hundreds of millions and passed it on to him and his brother via trustfunds is calling for blood cause he got ghosted on a poker app? Standard.

And Bill Perkins sounds like a highschooler, not just due to all the the typos and misspellings but his logic/emotional reactions. How in the world did this guy get to be a successful hedge fund manager.

Generational karma? I think Dan Bilzerian is still way up though. He gets to benefit from his dad’s fraud without having to be involved with it. Freerolling level 100

Interesting Wikipedia page update...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Cates

Poker players bringing up dad's transgressions in order to justify stealing

to be honest when Dan played Bill's accounts the idiots made it on livestream so everyone had the chance to know who was playing before they got banned.. plus Bilzerian is a ****ing whale lol

On May 25, 2020, Cates was publicly outed as 'ghosting' (playing on somebody else's account, pretending to be them) on underground poker site(s). Ghosting is commonly used whereby a skilled player assumes the account of an inexperienced player, tricking its victims into thinking they are playing against a much worse player than they actually are. The account owner and the skilled player are assumed to share in the profits. This practice is banned on all reputable poker sites, and is grounds for being excluded permanently from poker sites. The poker community was stunned by his actions. Cates' defense was to say that others had done it[10], so it's not that bad that he did it too.

Lol

The poker community was stunned by his actions. Cates' defense was to say that others had done it[10], so it's not that bad that he did it too.

Why is this thread continuing to blow up? Like seriously I really don't get it. Perkins tricked all of us into thinking this is some major major cheating scandal, the likes of which surpasses Postle and it turned out to be a major dud.

Hey newsflash cheating goes on in poker from the very low limits to the highest limits to everything in between. From colluding in sit n go's, to colluding in super sattys, to soft playing friends, to the first season of the WPT when (I forget which 2 players) there was definite collusion at a final table because 1 guy had staked the other and they were both at the final table. Like 4 handed and the 1 dude was folding premium hands to the other dude who staked him.

Again this Perkins drama was a big waste of time. Is Cates going to be shunned from the poker community because of this? Of course not. There's plenty of these cheats and stories every day, every week, every year. It gets old actually hearing about it. Postle was different because he had help from the casino staff and did something never done live before(that we know of). This ghosting crap has been done for years and will continue to happen.

Jungle asked me if I had any clean accounts awhile back, am absolutely shocked to find out this is what he wanted to do with them. Thank god I forgot to reply. My heart just sunk. This is what is feels like when your world comes crashing down around you.

Pervasive mindsets like this are the biggest impediment to Poker being accepted for the game of skill it is.

Shunning should be done.

Poker rooms (on-line and live) should ban people, no matter who they are, for behavior like this, even if it didn't happen in their property.

Consequences are needed.

Or, societally, poker will remain in the fringes.

Some Cliffs:


Apparently none of the following but good try. And don't **** with the greatest of all, Ike. I told him last summer I wouldn't let anyone **** him around in NVG.



bonus point for Jungle

madlex is a great poster (one of the best - he should be an NVG mod) but I had to edit for length. (:

You would think that Jungleman could get into some juicy games on his name recognition alone. Must be hard times out there.

Impediment to poker? Whatever bro. I have played poker for 20+ years and cheating happens day in and day out. Doesn't mean I like it at all but it's just the reality. I think Perkins could have handled this in a much different way rather than trying to work the whole poker community up. And sadly at the end of the day will this situation have any impact? Probably not. Maybe all the cheating and scamming I have seen has caught up with me and I am hardened by now. I mean, take a guy like Chino Rheem who has scammed just about every player out there and he is still talked about fondly on broadcasts and guys like Mizrachi continue to vouch for him and stake him. There are NO consequences for the vast majority of all the shadiness that happens in the community.

So imo something like this doesn't affect me in the slightest and is way overblown. And once poker gets back to a more normal it won't even be a second thought for most. Just the reality man.

Tom Dwan: well well well how the tables turned...

No he's not off the hook and he only has 4 tweets.

where is Haseeb? We need a long letter

I'm honestly not sure. It's a complete mystery.

Yes Bobo my 8 posts in this thread out of close to 700 so far definitely show I am an avid participant here smh.

What a fkn legend!

Well, you have fallen out of the top 10 posters, but you're only a post or two short, so maybe I can get you back there.

That was meant to be light-hearted, but pointing out that:

1) It's kind of silly to make 7 posts that Perkins is seeking attention, this thread is terrible, and asking why people are still posting in the thread.
2) It's not like everyone, or really many people at all, are making this out as a huge deal. A number of people are posting about it being overblown, just like you are, or talking about Blitz, or just NVGers NVGing.

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And on a serious note, whether or not you, I, or others think this is a BIG deal, it still isn't something to be ignored.

The problem with Dan Bilz playing on Bill Perkins account is that Bill probably actually believes Dan is literally the most successful player of all time and not a massive whale. He literally let his superstar pro play on his account against someone else heads up. Obviously no one really cares if a whale plays on another whales account, but this was not happened from Bill's point of view. This in itself should be the end of the thread.

It doesn't justify stealing. Though it is ironic that Dan Bilz will call someone out for this while his own wealth is entirely stolen.

It's always ironic when poker players try to take a moral high ground.

Cant help thinking if it was Dnegs or Phil H, there would be much more of an outcry. Maybe this ghosting stuff is the norm for the high stakes world but its sill scummy.

There probably would be, because many more ppl like to see these two burn. Then again letting Hellmuth play in what I suppose is a HS PLO cg is borderline comical.

As far as "cheating" goes it's a bit tame considering the build-up.

On the scale of slowrolling to Postle it's maybe "guy who stalled every hand in no-blind increase SnG's" at best. Frustrating as hell to those involved but someone was going to exploit the situation eventually.