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Does Whining About Political Correctness in a Racism Debate Correlate to Being a Racist? Does Whining About Political Correctness in a Racism Debate Correlate to Being a Racist?

10-05-2014 , 12:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pilkain
We aren't against rap, we aren't against rappers. But we are against those thugs...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0PB4o9GH2A


Lyrics:

We're not against rap
We're not against rappers
But we are against those thugs (Thugs thugs)

It's the Thuggish Ruggish Bone
It's the Thuggish Ruggish Bone
It's the Thuggish Ruggish Bone
It's the Thuggish Ruggish Bone

Your feelin' the strength of the rump
Step up, hear the funk of the jump that the thugstas feel
Just be thuggin', straight buzzin', lovin' yo peoples cause we so real
Chill, better bring yo weapon, when steppin'
Bring on that ammunition, trip and don't slip
Not to mention, never knew no competition
But i gotta get mine, so scream out, mo, and let me hear ya holla
Not about that mighty dollar
Roll with the bone, mo' thugs will follow
Chain gang, remains the same
Flamin' my dank and drinkin' brew
Thinkin' about hangin', clockin' my bank, and thuggin' trues, foo's

It's the Thuggish Ruggish Bone
It's the Thuggish Ruggish Bone
It's the Thuggish Ruggish Bone
It's the Thuggish Ruggish Bone

Get ready for the bone and the mo thug, bustas
You know me as a hustla
Try to creep and get deep, make me succeed, peep, gotta put them under
Straight jackets, gotta make that money, man
It's still the same now, bailin' in my black trench vest
You gotta be down to bang bang
Come and get this teachin', ya soldiers how thugstas must slack
Me drinkin' me brew till me skull crack, when we on our way back

It's the Thuggish Ruggish Bone
It's the Thuggish Ruggish Bone
It's the Thuggish Ruggish Bone
It's the Thuggish Ruggish Bone

Now follow me now, roll, stroll off deep in the land
Well, creep if you can, take another swig to the brain (Whoa)
Loc'in, steady chokin' off that potent smoke
and runnin' from the po-po now
Gotta get up with my thugstas, right turn to the double glock
Pull to the curb, smoke with my hustlas
Puff, puff puff to the brain shot
Love P.O.D.ed and tweeded, gotta get another case for my trunk
Old English, really don't need it, but in case my trues want to get drunk
They pump bone, so leave 'em alone
You don't want to get shut down
Thug runnin' the nine-quad,
and you better believe they be wantin' this thug style
So what now? see the bone thug claim,
thug never gonna change, so flame up
Sit back and just smoke the same cut,
Leatherface on the creep, I came up

It's the Thuggish Ruggish Bone
It's the Thuggish Ruggish Bone
It's the Thuggish Ruggish Bone
It's the Thuggish Ruggish Bone

Gotta give it on up to the glock glock
Pop pop, better drop when them buckshot blow
The bone in me never no ho, so no creepin' up outta the zip-lock
So sin, sip gin, and lil' mo heart run up, nut up
And flipped in, than slipped the clip in, mistakin' the bloody victims
Ever if ya test nuts, to the chest and put em to rest
And, but I won't test bucks, put a hole up into me vest
And gotta get through my soul,
but they won't budge, mud, drug me victim
The blood in me runnin' my mental, the thug in me, stuck in me
Keepin' it simple, the bone in me runnin' with thugs so
To the temple, buck when you duck to the thuggish ruggish T's
St. Claire P's to appeal to the G's
And a buck to all my enemies

It's the Thuggish Ruggish Bone
It's the Thuggish Ruggish Bone
It's the Thuggish Ruggish Bone
It's the Thuggish Ruggish Bone
It's the Thuggish Ruggish Bone

We got Layzie and
We got Krayzie
Bizzy's in the house
Wish is in the house
And Flesh
And Tasha
Cleveland's definitely in the house

It's the Thuggish Ruggish Bone
It's the Thuggish Ruggish Bone
It's the Thuggish Ruggish Bone
It's the Thuggish Ruggish Bone
It's the Thuggish Ruggish Bone
It's the Thuggish Ruggish Bone

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Great song, well performed. Notice how they unapologetically embrace the label "thug." I don't think it means we can't criticize them, but we should also strive to understand how and why these kids have this mentality and outlook. Why they would take pride in it. Why that's cool.
10-05-2014 , 12:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexM
Fly's position is that his racism is okay because the type of racism he attacks is worse.
The saddest part of Fly's racist routine is that his disparaging characterization of rural folks applies to people of many skin colors.
10-05-2014 , 12:45 PM
So, it's not racism then?
10-05-2014 , 12:46 PM
You guys ever notice how racists who try to draw deep meaningful societal analysis out of rap lyrics tend to focus on songs that came out 10+ years ago?

It's almost as if they are out of touch, willfully ignorant, and generally incurious morons.
10-05-2014 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by rjoefish
So, it's not racism then?
It would be just regional bigotry, but for the 'old white guy' part. So yeah- racist and age-ist.
10-05-2014 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark

Great song, well performed. Notice how they unapologetically embrace the label "thug." I don't think it means we can't criticize them, but we should also strive to understand how and why these kids have this mentality and outlook. Why they would take pride in it. Why that's cool.

Dude I KNOW RIGHT, And they use the n word all the time but nobody else can?
10-05-2014 , 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Omar Comin
Dude I KNOW RIGHT, And they use the n word all the time but nobody else can?
Yep. I know some girls who routinely call each other fat bitch, and they are overweight. I don't do it though, that would be rude.
10-05-2014 , 01:17 PM
Don't use "thug" that way guys, it's offensive.

However, if you come across a heterosexual dude you don't like, feel free to call him an autistic pussy who sucks dudes off. That, my friends, is appropriate AND funny.

Fly FTW
10-05-2014 , 02:19 PM
hold on, thug is a racist term? Since when? I've called my friend that for years and he's a bald 5'6 white guy.
10-05-2014 , 02:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyWf
You guys ever notice how racists who try to draw deep meaningful societal analysis out of rap lyrics tend to focus on songs that came out 10+ years ago?

It's almost as if they are out of touch, willfully ignorant, and generally incurious morons.
It's almost as though popular culture is where we learn the context of certain words instead of just listening to what fly, Wookie, and dids say is ok.
10-05-2014 , 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by SiMor29
hold on, thug is a racist term? Since when? I've called my friend that for years and he's a bald 5'6 white guy.
"Thug" is a racist term in certain contexts. An unwillingness to understand and accept that is usually a racist attitude. (One exception is if you have an impaired ability to understand what it is like to be a victim of racism.)
10-05-2014 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by AsianNit
"Thug" is a racist term in certain contexts. An unwillingness to understand and accept that is usually a racist attitude. (One exception is if you have an impaired ability to understand what it is like to be a victim of racism.)
I'll be damned, who knew.

Can you give me some examples?
10-05-2014 , 02:47 PM
Everyone knew, you ****ing moron. It's not our responsible to educate you. Take some ****ing responsibility for yourself
10-05-2014 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Everyone knew, you ****ing moron. It's not our responsible to educate you. Take some ****ing responsibility for yourself
Ok calm down, no need to be so hysterical. Jesus this forum is hostile.

It's certainly not a case of "everyone knew". In the UK it far more commonly means a violent criminal. In fact that's probably its only meaning here. It has never to my knowledge been race specific.
10-05-2014 , 03:00 PM
Yeah but as we've just demonstrated "your knowledge" is pretty ****ing limited.

Good work on being reflexively skeptical, though. You're a real credit to UKIP or the BNP or whatever the **** you people are calling yourself these days.
10-05-2014 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by SiMor29
I'll be damned, who knew.

Can you give me some examples?
Example:
Guy in video above says, "We're not against rap.
We're not against rappers. But we are against those thugs."

Even though he's trying to be clear he's not talking about all rappers, he's obviously talking about all rappers. Even though all rappers are not black, he's obviously talking about all black people. Racism.

This is the logic of "key words" and "dog whistles." Perhaps well intended, but really just ignorant over-politicized drivel that only succeeds in polarizing society. Educating each other is exactly the only way.
10-05-2014 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Yeah but as we've just demonstrated "your knowledge" is pretty ****ing limited.

Good work on being reflexively skeptical, though. You're a real credit to UKIP or the BNP or whatever the **** you people are calling yourself these days.
Don't lump yourself in with the rest of us please.
10-05-2014 , 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Yeah but as we've just demonstrated "your knowledge" is pretty ****ing limited.

Good work on being reflexively skeptical, though. You're a real credit to UKIP or the BNP or whatever the **** you people are calling yourself these days.
Not necessarily skeptical, just curious. Not knowing about a connotation of a word does not make me a racist, especially when its overwhelmingly more common use is to describe a violent criminal, not a black person.

I despise both UKIP and the BNP, again, stop being so hysterical.
10-05-2014 , 03:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FoldnDark
Example:
Guy in video above says, "We're not against rap.
We're not against rappers. But we are against those thugs."

Even though he's trying to be clear he's not talking about all rappers, he's obviously talking about all rappers. Even though all rappers are not black, he's obviously talking about all black people. Racism.

This is the logic of "key words" and "dog whistles." Perhaps well intended, but really just ignorant over-politicized drivel that only succeeds in polarizing society. Educating each other is exactly the only way.
Yeah ok, that makes sense. Cheers.
10-05-2014 , 03:11 PM
But literally it was just explained to you, on this page, with a ****ing example. How much more do you need?
10-05-2014 , 03:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SiMor29
Yeah ok, that makes sense. Cheers.
LOL now, when a racist "explains" it to you with NONSENSE, suddenly you get real good at learning?

GTFO
10-05-2014 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
But literally it was just explained to you, on this page, with a ****ing example. How much more do you need?
And I just read that example, and acknowledged it, and now we can move on.
10-05-2014 , 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
LOL now, when a racist "explains" it to you with NONSENSE, suddenly you get real good at learning?

GTFO
Chill out man, seriously, you come off as frothing at the mouth. You're determined to label me over a totally innocent remark on my part and I don't appreciate that.

And with that I am done. Take my advice though, just chill out. Arguing on the internet isn't worth the energy.
10-05-2014 , 03:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SiMor29
I'll be damned, who knew.

Can you give me some examples?
In the US, using "thug" to refer to Michael Brown, the victim in Ferguson, is generally racist language. Since you say you are in the UK, you may be unaware that there is a great body of euphemistic code words that racists have developed to appeal to racism without being blatant about it. This is sometimes referred to as "dog-whistle politics" and was famously described by Republican political operative Lee Atwater, who said:

Quote:
You start out in 1954 by saying, “N-----, n-----, n-----.” By 1968 you can’t say “n-----”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “N-----, n-----.”
Another example is the differences in describing white and black victims of Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans.
10-05-2014 , 03:28 PM
We need an smp explains hip hop lyrics thread asap

      
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