Fair enough. I don't see how it could ever prove politics was modded just fine but that's no reason not to give it a decent try. Its probably shown that P>P+PU and P>PU.

As long as people volunteer to mod it, I think we should keep Baja Politards.

I also wouldn't say Baja Politards has been a failure. What it is, is a work-in-progress. Progress to nowhere most probably... but it has changed over it's short life, and seems to be in the process of changing again.

As for the mod-your-own option, I it. At the start of every year I've done a serious RWA thread. Hopefully I'll get to try this option next time.

Create a roughly unmoderated conspiracy thread for people who like to argue with those kinds of people, and either relax personal attack rules or have a year round festivus thread akin to the worst posters thread here, and unchained is completely unnecessary.

Wookie should really update politics regular rules to reflect the current reality though. JJ might be the man to help him do so. But either way, jj has done a great job here.

Personal attacks should just be deleted, imo. Not altered to remove the personal attack, just deleted. Maybe send a nice pm of "deleted because of personal attack" if the mod feels like it.

Idiotic stuff should be relegated to the economics subforum, or to a "I likes to talks abouts my lifes" containment thread.

There is absolutely no reason for a "worst poster" thread. That is the stuff of 13-year-olds, not adults.

Smart man.

JJ- have you considered modding the crap, or enough of it, that you warrant the forum should be closed? That's an option mods have to control objectionable content they are aware of.

I trust his judgment more than yours. I mean that in all kindness.

He is realistic, and you ought be paying more attention to your real life obligations.

shut the **** up spank.

just trying to get some hate in before the hate-forum is closed

My analytical thread for Q3 is not complete yet but it will concentrate on timestamp analysis to determine thread "heat".

By one metric, these were the top 3 hottest threads of Q3 across both Politics and Unchained:

7.7778 Does Whining About Political Correctness...
7.7634 Negative Comment About "Mexicans" Racist?
7.4771 The Tragic Death of Mike Brown: and the Ensuing Riots

The number is the average posts/hour over the active life of the thread.

FWIW, the top 2 were both unchained threads.

For the folks who still think "thug" is used predominantly to describe people of any race who commit violent crimes at the behest of their powerful superiors, would you please let me know what violent crimes Richard Sherman is either convicted or suspected of? Thanks.

Anyway,

If anything, my opinion of Unchained has improved of late. Sure, it's a venue to hurl unbridled insults at others that can't be hurled elsewhere, but that's same as it ever was. I've been traveling, but I'll think it over, maybe take a look at some threads I've missed.

I have zero hate for anyone here or who has ever posted here, for the record.

Brian- whenever you decided to try to be in charge of me, you made a poor decision. Not the first and not the last person to fail at reading me because of inaccurate presumption.

I don't want to mod a forum like PU based off of my personal opinion of whats 'good' or 'bad' content. I think its a ton of work and impossible to do without being influenced by your personal biases - which means you're doing a ton of work just to get bitched at all the time. I'm also not sure my personal opinion of whats 'good' or 'bad is a particularly good representation of the average poster.

It's for the same reason I don't want to mod a forum like Alpha Politics. Reading the reported posts for that forum just reinforces how tough a job it is to do well and how annoyed I'd get with most posters.

If people actually find it worth keeping (I guess at this point that's mostly up to Mr.Wookie) I'm fine continuing to mod the forum the way I have been. I'm also fine with trying other ideas for how to address 'bad' content in ways that aren't just my subjective opinion.

I'm also fine with giving someone else a chance to try something to save PU.

Pull the plug and let the Holocaust truthers go back to Stormf,ront or wherever they came from.

I don't see why you're using Fly as an example when his posts are about as bad in regular Politics as they are here.

The only difference here is that when people respond to him in the same tone, they don't get banned for it, which seems only fair.

Maybe consider there are objective ways to use the rules to identify objectionable content.

It is not that hard to tell the difference between 'that is dumb, you are dumb' and 'you are a mentally ill homosexual drug addicted old southern white hillybilly who seems religious that needs help so **** you! And you talk funny'

I don't believe that to be true - at least in a practical sense that doesn't involve an enumeration of an infinite number of rules.

The problem isn't at the extremes.

There are a finite number of human states and conditions that a person should not be targeted for. These are mostly not very hard to reason. We could start with a broad list and narrow-them down.

PU is dead! long live Mod JJ Shabadaddo

I didn't make any presumptions. It isn't that hard to figure out what you are.

Enjoy giving non-specific pejorative criticism which obviously doesn't work on whatever I Am. I know what you most likely are, and that is another person.

Shall we meet mutually as people, today?

(Not in direct response to Brian)
So far I haven't agreed with JJ much, but I usually see his points. I think he could punish the extreme examples and that would help, but it can only do so much. In the end, Brian has it (another poster I often disagree with). For the forum to work, people need to take their politics more seriously. Starting threads with the sole purpose of insult, and trolling most other threads is childish, and it illustrates how little importance those posters put on understanding and solving the problems on which the they hold such passionate views. It's not always easy, but remaining somewhat civil ought to be considered a virtue.

I agree that we should not accept childishness, insults and trolling in these pages. There is very important work to be done here.

For example, in the sports forum, where we root for our team because it's the best, ldo, trolling is funny and appropriate because none of that should be taken seriously. Childishness reigns and is a virtue. In a forum where real issues this world faces are discussed, acting like you're rooting for a home team and such is not helpful. The internet has potential to be a real force for political change in this world, and taking that seriously makes sense to me.

I mean, I've been posting here for over a decade and I still have no idea if a straight beats a flush. Stop the madness.