Not really defending it. Whitewashing it.

Sure, but did he invent snorting it off a hooker's ass?

If you are making the same clarification as DS, that TJ was scum, but no scummier than 90% of us would be in his shoes, I'll buy it.

I mean, not only would I have had sex slaves in TJ's time, I have them now - why I have dozens of sex slaves in my basement as we speak! I'm not sure what that has to do with anything however. Wake me up when they engrave my profile 60 feet high on a mountainside.

Wake me up when you do something admirable like found a university, or a country based on religious freedom and property rights, end the importation of slavery, initiate the Lewis and Clark expedition, purchase a few hundred thousand square miles from the French, or something. I mean, you are pretty witty though, so that's worth a lot too.

Since you didn't list freeing the slaves, you obviously support slavery.

Sheeet, I built an electric motor in shop class when I was like twelve! Where's my statue?

You mean like the right to own human property? Quite admirable.

So, how does the guy, who founded a country based on property rights, acquire land occupied by indigenous people? Easy, pay a military dictator who's 1000's of miles away for the rights to their land. And then send out a expedition to survey where the genocide's about to go down.

Foldn, if you want to admire a guy for establishing a university in his spare time(spare time he had, because of his life of luxury supported by being a slave owner) that's fine, education is a good thing. However, claiming certain actions as admirable, when they aren't in anyway, just displays how your perspective is deeply influenced by a white-male-eurocentric bias.

Give Thomas Jefferson a break.
Check out this quote:
"The Negro needs the white man to free him from his fears. The white man needs the Negro to free him from his guilt."

What is being whitewashed? The casualness of the philosophy forum setting or the times in history being discussed? Your 99 accusations of that's racist are just about up. Some people use more than just what some hip sounding website and hopes of infallibility to figure what and who is racist.

So let's not whitewash being wrong about racism and being clueless about how people discuss topics outside of your bubble.

Oh, I'm on at lest 1034. 99 racist accusations are for n00bs.

Damn thought-inquisitors across history up in here. You'd think they got time machine/mind scanners powered by infallible snark and guilt-trips for what Thomas Jefferson did.

I never claimed to be a thought-inquisitor. I am a post and Wikipedia reader.

No kidding. I mean if you haven't seen 99 racist posts after being active on an internet forum for almost 10 years - I guarantee you're a racist.

Ignorance and innocence = racism!!!

http://m.theatlantic.com/national/ar...bby-lee/38813/

I kinda feel like the residents of the Louisiana Territory might have had a word or two to say about Jefferson's respect for property rights.

So where is the supremacist political theme in the post you quoted? Not any present.

Is imagining empathetically what an of-age slave girl might think in her time the product of a racist mind? The key word is empathetically and the answer is no.

Discussing and arguing about slavery, secession, the confederacy, or historical slave owners is not hate speech or evident of anything in and of itself. A thinker with empathy and character is totally free to discuss these topics.

Communicating about how other people may of thought and felt is something some people seem to appreciate.

So why the trolling with racist? Why not stop?

Crazy talk.

The speech or evident of itself. A the key word is not storically free to discussion, theme the confederacist post you quoted? The speech or hist? Why the people supremacist mind? The speech or evident.

Discuss thetical think in here is the seem to discuss to discuss topics.

Communical theme to appreciate.

Halloween is making it difficult to not support slavery.

I wonder if people opposed to slavery back in the day boycotted cotton or tobacco or other products primarily produced with slave labor?

Ok, as you asked for my opinion here. This does make me uncomfortable. The Holocaust is insanely well documented. First the Nazis, as everyone knows, were very precise about documenting things. During the war IBM sold counting machines to the Nazi which were used at concentration camps. People were tattooed, categorized and recorded. And, an army of scholarship was done by organizations like Yad Vashem. (just think about the population numbers - there were 3 million Jews in Poland in 1938 who weren't anywhere in 1945) It wasn't done for sympathy, but to know what happened, for relatives, and for justice.

So, at this point, even listening to someone who says they are a denier...well, there are probably people who deny American Slavery too, and people who deny we landed on the moon. It's, at the very least, making a huge mistake in judgment by treating the issue as having two reasonable sides just because someone takes a denial position. Can't help but wonder if being susceptible to this line of reasoning indicates that you are generally receptive to the idea that Jews are controlling the media and history and such.