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Does Whining About Political Correctness in a Racism Debate Correlate to Being a Racist? Does Whining About Political Correctness in a Racism Debate Correlate to Being a Racist?

09-29-2014 , 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnyCrash
I am not claiming to be a expert on hip hop culture. I am giving an opinion on it based on mass media and also being friends with some people that are into hip hop.

I think it fails as music and fashion and is how it portrays gangsters as heros and people to look up to and respect.
How accurate do you imagine your opinion is?
09-29-2014 , 01:38 AM
Fair enough. I used the wrong term. Rap culture is what I meant.
09-29-2014 , 01:41 AM
We know what you meant.
09-29-2014 , 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
How accurate do you imagine your opinion is?
Opinions are opinions. Like you wouldnt be afraid of the same thing. I give an honest opinion which is more then most of you do.
09-29-2014 , 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
It's somewhat invariant about people. Not sure I'm willing to give credit to any Scottish philosophers

I'm assuming the wow wasn't for me.
I am fairly bothered that you think the wow could possibly be aimed at you.
09-29-2014 , 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnyCrash
Opinions are opinions. Like you wouldnt be afraid of the same thing. I give an honest opinion which is more then most of you do.
Honest opinion: you live in a trailer park.
09-29-2014 , 01:45 AM
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
Honest opinion: you live in a trailer park.
You are a ******. All you do is type **** all day long without ever saying anything.
09-29-2014 , 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnyCrash
Fair enough. I used the wrong term. Rap culture is what I meant.
A more accurate term would be 'drug war culture'. Focusing on music and fashion stereotypes is like looking at a symptom, rather than the bug causing the disease.
09-29-2014 , 01:54 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnyCrash
You are a ******. All you do is type **** all day long without ever saying anything.
But I do it out of a pent house beeatch... Can í get a woot woot?!?
09-29-2014 , 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
But I do it out of a pent house beeatch... Can í get a woot woot?!?
Dont know what to say to that. Just more nothing.
09-29-2014 , 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
A more accurate term would be 'drug war culture'. Focusing on music and fashion stereotypes is like looking at a symptom, rather than the bug causing the disease.
Jay z and Beyonce are main stream and they glorify that culture. Its everywhere.
09-29-2014 , 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnyCrash
Jay z and Beyonce are main stream and they glorify that culture. Its everywhere.
Wow. Beyoncé is an R&B artist. Jay Z barely qualifies as a gansta rapper. Can you elaborate on what message either of them glorify that would cause bad shootings by cops?
09-29-2014 , 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
Wow. Beyoncé is an R&B artist. Jay Z barely qualifies as a gansta rapper. Can you elaborate on what message either of them glorify that would cause bad shootings by cops?
I was watching their duo concert on HBO, and while they are performing they have them in a get a way car holding assault rifles on a big screen behind them. Their concert name is On the run. What message do you think that portrays.
09-29-2014 , 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnyCrash
I was watching their duo concert on HBO, and while they are performing they have them in a get a way car holding assault rifles on a big screen behind them. Their concert name is On the run. What message do you think that portrays.
The same as an action movie? Maybe they are running from people like you?
09-29-2014 , 02:29 AM
If someone has a youtube video from the Parks and Rec 'Littlest Park' episode, where the old lady says there's a certain type of person she associates with basketball, please post it now.
09-29-2014 , 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
The same as an action movie? Maybe they are running from people like you?
**** it I thought maybe it would be possible to have a discussion, but clearly its impossible. All of you holier then thou people are full of ****.

If anyone says anything that make you people a little uneasy you just fire insults. **** you.
09-29-2014 , 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Anais
If someone has a youtube video from the Parks and Rec 'Littlest Park' episode, where the old lady says there's a certain type of person she associates with basketball, please post it now.
That's an example of what I was asking you earlier. If someone says "when I think of pro basketball I think of black people" does that reach your standard of filthy racist?
09-29-2014 , 03:18 AM
Have to chime in here and agree with JohnyCrash.

Dude gives an honest opinion of what makes him nervous while walking down the street, and it's implied he's a racist. Of course, the forum responds by giving examples of scenes from an action movie and how he lives in a trailer park.

Mark Cuban said the same exact thing, except he threw the white guy with tattoos all over him in his example. Not a word from anyone.

We had the same discussion with the hoodie example. Some people will react a certain way to it, some people won't. But to disregard his opinion as racist because he views rap culture in a negative light, a subset of music that literally glorifies things like unprotected sex and hustling and carrying a gun literally all the time, is bull****.

Lol just to test this theory just a tiny bit, I went to worldstarhiphop and clicked on the first featured video and laughed when I heard the lyrics about unprotected sex. Scrolled down a bit to the first non-featured music video, and was greeted with a pistol pointing at the viewer.

Oh well.
09-29-2014 , 03:27 AM
Grunch. I'd say that while complaining about PC in a racism discussion certainly doesn't make you racist by default, it probably correlates very high with being racist. That said, there are a lot of other areas where people wrongly assume you're racist due to things completely unrelated (and ironically, usually end up sounding racist themselves). For example: "I think we should embrace anarchy (ie, anar-capitalism, the only real/true form of anarchy) so that stupid people who can't survive in a totally free economy will die off in droves and be replaced by the offspring of the more intelligent, productive members of society." Offensive opinion? Sure! But some would attempt to call it racist, which is not only nonsensical because the statement had nothing to do with race, but also ironically racist itself by implying that certain races must be dumb for such a system to disproportionately impact them. Just my two cents.
09-29-2014 , 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Mat Sklansky
i'll bite. i blame parents, but if pare nts are being influenced by hip hop culture, perhaps there is a problem there.
There is too many aspects to what even creates gangbangers like being poor with a single mother woriking all the time.The lure of so called easy money from drugs ect ect..

I was just wondering if fashion is playing a small factor in some of these bad shootings.

For the record I think that the Micheal Brown shooting was terrible.
09-29-2014 , 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
Have to chime in here and agree with JohnyCrash.

Dude gives an honest opinion of what makes him nervous while walking down the street, and it's implied he's a racist. Of course, the forum responds by giving examples of scenes from an action movie and how he lives in a trailer park.

Mark Cuban said the same exact thing, except he threw the white guy with tattoos all over him in his example. Not a word from anyone.

We had the same discussion with the hoodie example. Some people will react a certain way to it, some people won't. But to disregard his opinion as racist because he views rap culture in a negative light, a subset of music that literally glorifies things like unprotected sex and hustling and carrying a gun literally all the time, is bull****.

Lol just to test this theory just a tiny bit, I went to worldstarhiphop and clicked on the first featured video and laughed when I heard the lyrics about unprotected sex. Scrolled down a bit to the first non-featured music video, and was greeted with a pistol pointing at the viewer.

Oh well.
Thank you for your post.
09-29-2014 , 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
a subset of music that literally glorifies things like unprotected sex and hustling and carrying a gun literally all the time, is bull****.

Lol just to test this theory just a tiny bit, I went to worldstarhiphop and clicked on the first featured video and laughed when I heard the lyrics about unprotected sex. Scrolled down a bit to the first non-featured music video, and was greeted with a pistol pointing at the viewer.

Oh well.
Quite ratchet if you ask me
09-29-2014 , 06:15 AM
heh. That thread did make me realize I was using the word "ghetto" incorrectly. I pulled that from my vocabulary.

Ratchet is still used.
09-29-2014 , 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnyCrash
**** it I thought maybe it would be possible to have a discussion, but clearly its impossible. All of you holier then thou people are full of ****.

If anyone says anything that make you people a little uneasy you just fire insults. **** you.
Seriously can we get another thread on how racists, apparently like as a group, all seem to believe "having a discussion" requires nobody disagreeing with you? That's such a weird thing.
09-29-2014 , 06:21 AM
I feel like we've somehow travelled back to the mid 90's and tuned into a cnn scare piece. "They call it 'gansta rap' and your child may already be listening..." jay-Z and Dr dre are by any objective measure two of the smartest most successful entrepreneurs in history. They are the definition of a Horatio Alger self made man and they did it in spite of massive prejudicial oppression. When art is made in oppressive or hopeless seeming circumstances it often reflects the violence inherent in those circumstances. It is a symptom. Not a cause.

      
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