Once again, no. It's not just dress. It's walk/talk/attitude/mentality. We have to go through this time and time again. The suburban black kid dressed to be cool is easily distinguishable by a real inner city thug. It takes seconds to tell the difference.

As far as being able to tell from far away, you can't. That's why you cross the street, homie.

Street is lava to them ldo.

Thank you. You made my point.

Once again, my point proven.

"How dare the poor, downtrodden inner city youth who are the product of centuries of racial oppression walk around with sneers on their faces!"

Are you going to keep avoiding this?

You say this, but you call people on minimum wage 'mouth-breathers'

You say this, but single out a particular type of music (that you associate with black people), ignoring 'white' equivalents. Then when you are taken to town you dig yourself further by saying no it isn't the music, just the black people that listen to it! You say the above but shame Serena Williams for doing a dance because she's black.

These aren't just inconsequential gotchas, these things give away your actual attitude towards these people.

Um, no, not unless you have answers to my questions from the rest of that post.

Otherwise "if I see a black person walking in the distance Im crossing the street because I can't use my spidey sense to tell from a distance if they are one of the good black people or a street thug because Im a'scared of the black person"...well, you have the right to your prejudices, but you shouldn't be surprised when people view them as really distasteful.

Mostly, yeah.

Money2burn,

Two questions.

I am curious if you think that the purchasing of sweatshop manufactured clothing from poor South American countries, or random products from amazon/target/walmart that are created in sweatshop conditions in Asian countries is supporting modern day monetary slavery so that you can enjoy your current standard of living?

If so, is this more less morally reprehensible than being more inclined to be more nervous around minority youth that are exhibiting characteristics that are associated with violent behavior than minority youth that are not exhibiting such characteristics? Bonus, does having such views ever become acceptable, or is it always repugnant racism?

Stupid double bonus aside, but curious: What if they are some dumb old white person that is generally and equally terrified of all youth. Just a dumb prejudice ageist, or secretly still racist?

Mostly just curious about the first two ?'s ty

OK, and like I was trying to imply with the sincerity as a defense post(which you at first contradicted, but have since pretty much articulated exactly that), nobody is upset at racist's INSINCERITY. We know this is the **** you believe. You believing this **** is precisely the problem.

"It's not worth trying to teach Hispanics family planning because you know how their culture is" is not some **** I'm concerned you're lying about. My concern is that you aren't lying and that is your actual policy view on sex education.

I understand your point but I disagree. I sit and drink with black people almost every night. I grew up in a black neighborhood. I've dated black girls. None of that is to say that you don't have a point in the way I come off, it's just to give you a bit of background.

Black people that I've known span the entire spectrum of diversity. Whether it's nerdy, smart, well-dressed, thug, street, respectful, violent, etc, I don't lump them into one group at all. Never have.

I just don't like thugs. My experiences with them have all been bad. I avoid them.

Racist? Maybe in your eyes, not in mine. I think "safety".

Make him slightly more annoying?

I was simply saying it isn't simple as "let's give out condoms". Sometimes policies don't have the desired effect because cultural or regional differences aren't taken into account.

wtf?

There is a lot of data showing that increasing access to these services and providing education reduces teen birth rates and it cuts across demographic lines.

That may be technically racist, but I have a hard time putting that in the "hate, please don't breed" category of racism, since I don't favor the human race becoming less intelligent. It's that same type of stereotyping I do at the poker table. Most guys dressed like that get the bad LAG label until they prove me wrong. It's wise to keep evaluating the stereotype, since it may change over time.

I agree. I just don't think it's a simple thing.

Yep I know what you mean. Sorry to have all this crap piled on you. It is undeserved and I think you explained yourself quite well.

Most of these guys ranting about us being racist dont even really understand what a racist is. I too have been attacked by a large group of black youth and was lucky to get away without serious injury. And yes they looked like thugs.

I have been assaulted by a black guy. Wil is still racist.

Crap piled on me is fine. I enjoy it.

I have to disagree a bit with "undeserved" though. I think many people are racist, or stereotype things for the wrong reasons and in the wrong situations. I'm never scared of walking by any type of people in certain environments that are safe. Thugs don't scare me in a casino. They worry me in a casino parking lot.

Like I said, I've been stuck up a few times. I've had a gun pointed at me. Whatever, it happens. I completely avoid those situations now though, and I haven't had an issue since. I'm ok with it. Why isn't everyone else?

Can we change wil's undertitle to "Brave Racist?"

I may be guilty of some false stereotypes, but I disagree with racist. I've been assaulted by way more white men than black men in my life. I tend to avoid large groups of drunk (and even not drunk) white guys of a certain age, in fact, I cross the street. If that's racist, then fine.

I didn't mean to convey that it was easy.

Cool

You need to stop saying this. Maybe there's some connotations behind the word thug that you and I don't know of, but if you're just using it to mean someone who is extremely rough then it's not racist in my eyes or anyone else's here. Continuing to blame the racist label on this is weird